Armor/AFV: Axis - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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WIP - 2cm Flak38 auf Fahrgestell Bren
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Posted: Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 11:32 PM UTC
After Frank's question about figures i thought i'd show you what i'd come up with so far.
I made the decision to include just one figure with the carrier and mount them on a simple base (probably a grassy field type thing). This is because i'm putting that much work into the conversion that I didn't want the base and/or figure attracting too much attention, so that the carrier would be the main focus. At the same time I wanted a figure to be included as I feel it is necesary to add life/scale to the AFV.
While I was ordering kits galore I attacked my spares bin for a suitable figure, the one I found was perfect, a relaxed pose in warm weather dress, as I wanted the scene to be Italy in the summer of '44.

The figure was actually from a Revell set (02615 - German tank crew 1941-42) which I beleive is an old ICM mould or vice-versa (It's the one with the tank crew posing for a photo). I figured he would look good next to the carrier with some spare mags cases next to him as if pausing for a rest while restocking the Flak gun on a summers day (hence the open trailer).
For this reason, the rolled up sleevs with the thinner 'under-shirt' looked good, and I decided to paint is trousers in the 'Italian' pattern, as german troops often had clothes tailored from this fabric on the Italian front, which helps place the scene. The cap was painted in 'pea dot' pattern as I like the pattern and wanted to show that mish-mash of camouflage items often aquired by veteran (note the Iron cross) soldiers.

Enough of me going on here's the figure:





He has yet to have a wash (what a dirty bloke, lol!) and there's a bit of touching up to do but please give me your opinion of him so far!

Cheers,

James
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Posted: Sunday, June 17, 2007 - 11:50 PM UTC
I also began progress on the DML Flak 38:

Here is the main gun barrel assembly, I have substituted the kit parrel for the armorscale one, it went in pretty easily but the little PE part they give you that goes on top of the barrel was a real little '5h1t' to fold and attach (you are warned in the PMMS review) and I dropped and recovered it from the carpet monster a few times, I think they know about this as they do give you a spare!
As mentioned I went for the PE shields as I don't like the bevelled edges and large attachment 'slots' of the plastic one's. I did however have to bend the pre-bent shield to get it to fit, and while its now in place I found it's a bit off line but couldn't face removing it to start again (hey, things get bent in the heat of battle don't they?!) I also filled the little recesses in the front of the shield (along the bend lines) with filler.


This shot shows the little wing nuts I added (from an old eduard M4A3 sherman set) and the Tamiya Flak 38 magazine as the excellent 'shell in mag' detail of the DML magazine would be completely hidden here.


This shows the gunners seat, built OOB except for the addition of the resin wingnuts on the back of the seat. These were spare from the Resi-cast carrier update set.


Thats all for now folks, hope you like what you see,

James
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Posted: Monday, June 18, 2007 - 11:52 PM UTC
Even more progress guys, went mad and finished the bulk of the Flak 38 in one sitting! It's just missing the shell catching net now.

Shot of the rear of the gun, not much to note, just that I have used all of the PE shields as intended, and that I chose an angle of 40 degrees for the gun, as I thought 60 was too steep and 20 too flat.


Left side view, check out all the wingnuts on the back of the shield, fiddly work I can tell you! Note the handle 'extension' added from stretched spruce. also a little square of PE with a hole for a detail missing from the DML kit.


Right side view, again look at all those wingnuts! Also you can make out the squares of PE added where the shield fits onto the gun along the bottom. Again I extended the handle on this side and replaced the kit gunners pedal with a PE pedal from the Resi-cast Universal carrier set.


Front view showing how badly mis-aligned the centre shield is! Since taking this pic I have removed it and straightened it. This gives you a good view of how I have filled the bend line seams with filler so that there are no indentations on the shields. You cant see it from here but extra rivet details were added to the gunners shield from punched out lead foil and white glue.


Also here is a little more work on the carrier itself:
Idlers and drive sprockets have had the resi-cast treatment and the rear glacis plate has been smoothed and had tools from the Italeri and Tamiya German tank acessories sets added, The jack is also a combination of these sets.
Whatever that thing in the bottom left is I have no idea! It's in the DML Flak 38 kit but I have yet to find out what function it serves. Best guess so far is a device for loading the 2cm mags, all suggestions are welcome!


Hope you're enjoying this as much as I am!

Cheers,

James
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Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 01:12 AM UTC
Rolling right along with this one James.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 01:27 AM UTC
Coming along nicely James, I'm really impressed with the level of detail your adding, although I have to say I think those wingnuts may just drive me (wing)nutty!
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Posted: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 02:59 AM UTC
Thanks guys, it has been going pretty quickly, I think because the DML kit went together quite easily, what is slowing me down is all the little details i'm adding (and those wing nuts!!!!)
I build my kits in the living room so I can sit with the girlfreind and watch TV (multi-tasking!) and it has one of those laminated floors, I must have dropped every wingnut at some point and spent ages crawling around on my hands and knees as the smooth surface allows them to skid across the floor far from where they landed, much to the girlfreinds amusement/annoyance! future builders of this kit YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Thanks for the posts guys,

James
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Posted: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 03:03 AM UTC
Ok, after a long break I finally have some update pictures for you:

The spent shell case for the Flak 38 is FINALLY done, it took me ages to get right and I almost gave up and cried a few times it was that fiddly! Its still not 100% perfect but it'll do for me!


This is the Resi-cast replacement front 'plate' for the Universal Carrier. I have used the Eduard mounting brackets for the lights but have substituted the British lights for a German headlight (Academy Tiger) and horn (Tamiya Pz.Kpfw. IV equipment set). I also added wire and a spare bracket from PE.


The rear of the 'plate' has also been 'Germanised' with an MG34 spare barrel case and ammo pouch, along with a mount for the gun improvised from a more complex one from the DML Sd.Kfz 251/1 3 in 1 kit. Eduard PE detail also added here and the standard Tamiya drivers dials but with the detail removed from 2 faces, waiting for the Eduard replacements (not fitted as dials need to be painted seperately. I left the detail on the one face as reference pics show the Eduard replacement to be too 2D and the original is a better representation.


Underside view showing the PE handle added from the Flak 38 set that no-one will ever notice when in position!


Side panels taken from the Italeri Opel Blitz (left) and Mauliter (right) kits. The Mauliter panel came with woodgrain detail which I carefully copied over with a knife into the blitz panel. Chains and catches were added as the idea is that these can hinge down to give the gun crew a decent size firing platform from which to shoot from.


Shot of the panels now in position - how lucky am I that the fit the side of the carrier so well?! Hinges were made from thin plastic sheet and punched out lead foil.
The mount for the Flak 38 was scratchbuilt (badly-not my strong point i'm afraid!) based on the design of that used in the Gepard (Thanks go out to Bill Plunk for sending me his reference pics!) I added spare magazine boxes from the trailer to the sides along with a grill at the rear (the engine is down under there somewhere!) a couple of hatches and a first aid box from the DML medical troop set.


Another shot of the same:


Thats the build pretty much completed. Will get some shots of everything put together soon!

Cheers,

James
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Posted: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 05:15 AM UTC
Its coming together really well now James, almost ready for paint, have you any idea what scheme your going with?
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Posted: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 07:38 AM UTC
James,
Carriers have always been a favorite of mine, and I really like the project, but what did you do with the drive train? The big box down the center of the carrier was the engine compartment, did the germans move this and where did they relocate it to?
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Posted: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 08:05 AM UTC

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Its coming together really well now James, almost ready for paint, have you any idea what scheme your going with?



Good question!

I'm definately going with a Dunklegelb (Dark/Panzer Yellow) base coat, and i'm thinking only 1 disruptive colour. I can't decide wether this should be Rotbraun (red-brown) or olivgrun (olive-green).
I dont want to go overboard with the camo and so will apply this in thin stripes over the base coat. Any suggestions on wether to go with the brown or the green are appreciated.
I'm thinking Italy 1944 if that helps!

As for unit markings I currently have no idea AT ALL! so any suggestions here would really be a great help!

Cheers,

James
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Posted: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 08:13 AM UTC

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James,
Carriers have always been a favorite of mine, and I really like the project, but what did you do with the drive train? The big box down the center of the carrier was the engine compartment, did the germans move this and where did they relocate it to?



lol! I was waiting for this one!

I tried to explain this in an earlier post as it is a very valid point!
In reference pics of actual captured carriers the Germans left it well alone, however, as mine was intended to be a 'serious' conversion i'm acting under the pretence that the best engineers in the Fatherland scratched their heads and managed to relocate it into the two areas created by covering over the compartments either side of the engine compartment, there would also be a fair bit of room still within the Flak mount and so the conversion wouldn't need to be huge.
I have actually got a picture of an Australian carrier that was converted like this to allow the placement of an anti-tank gun (2pdr I think) on the back, although apparently part of the 'passenger' area was intruded upon becasue of this. Some photos of captued carriers (and Lloydd carriers for that matter) also minimised the munt of engine compartment sticking up on the rear.

Phew! Think I managed to bulls$*t my way out of that one!

Cheers,

James
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Posted: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 09:13 AM UTC

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Its coming together really well now James, almost ready for paint, have you any idea what scheme your going with?



Good question!

I'm definately going with a Dunklegelb (Dark/Panzer Yellow) base coat, and i'm thinking only 1 disruptive colour. I can't decide wether this should be Rotbraun (red-brown) or olivgrun (olive-green).
I dont want to go overboard with the camo and so will apply this in thin stripes over the base coat. Any suggestions on wether to go with the brown or the green are appreciated.
I'm thinking Italy 1944 if that helps!

As for unit markings I currently have no idea AT ALL! so any suggestions here would really be a great help!

Cheers,

James



Hey James, looking through some books on the Italian campaign it would appear that a lot of vehicles were painted in straight Dark Yellow, although I have seen a few wearing Red Brown overspray so thats probably the way to go.
As for unit markings, my references state the following units were active in Italy & Sicily :- 15 Pz.Gren.Div, Pz.Div Herman Goring, 29 Pz.Gren.Div, 1.SS Panzer Korp LSSAH, 29 Pz.Div, 26 Pz.Div, 16 Pz.Div, 15 Pz.Gren Div, 1 Fallschirmjager Div, 2 FJ Div and 3 Pz.Gren Div.
So you got a few to choose from there!
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Posted: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 09:16 AM UTC

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James,
Carriers have always been a favorite of mine, and I really like the project, but what did you do with the drive train? The big box down the center of the carrier was the engine compartment, did the germans move this and where did they relocate it to?



lol! I was waiting for this one!

I tried to explain this in an earlier post as it is a very valid point!
In reference pics of actual captured carriers the Germans left it well alone, however, as mine was intended to be a 'serious' conversion i'm acting under the pretence that the best engineers in the Fatherland scratched their heads and managed to relocate it into the two areas created by covering over the compartments either side of the engine compartment, there would also be a fair bit of room still within the Flak mount and so the conversion wouldn't need to be huge.
I have actually got a picture of an Australian carrier that was converted like this to allow the placement of an anti-tank gun (2pdr I think) on the back, although apparently part of the 'passenger' area was intruded upon becasue of this. Some photos of captued carriers (and Lloydd carriers for that matter) also minimised the munt of engine compartment sticking up on the rear.

Phew! Think I managed to bulls$*t my way out of that one!

Cheers,

James



Whats that smell James?
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Posted: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 02:00 PM UTC
James,
Sorry I missed that when I read through the first time, but then with my being an American you really can not expect me to speak English. So the Germans took out the Ford four cylinder and dropped in a VW motor under the floor like in the microbus. I understand now.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 03:30 PM UTC
Coming along very nicely James, nice work in particular with the wood grain pattern matching.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 08:53 PM UTC
Maybe a stupid question, but where's the engine?
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Posted: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 - 11:52 PM UTC
James,

Great effort so far.


Cheers
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Posted: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 10:39 PM UTC

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Hey James, looking through some books on the Italian campaign it would appear that a lot of vehicles were painted in straight Dark Yellow, although I have seen a few wearing Red Brown overspray so thats probably the way to go.
As for unit markings, my references state the following units were active in Italy & Sicily :- 15 Pz.Gren.Div, Pz.Div Herman Goring, 29 Pz.Gren.Div, 1.SS Panzer Korp LSSAH, 29 Pz.Div, 26 Pz.Div, 16 Pz.Div, 15 Pz.Gren Div, 1 Fallschirmjager Div, 2 FJ Div and 3 Pz.Gren Div.
So you got a few to choose from there!



Thanks for that Mark,
I want to have a disruptive colour so it looks like i'll go with the rotbraun.

Plenty of divisions to choose from! I'll have to raid the spare transfers folder and see if I can find something suitable.


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Whats that smell James?



lol!

James
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Posted: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 10:42 PM UTC

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James,
Sorry I missed that when I read through the first time, but then with my being an American you really can not expect me to speak English. So the Germans took out the Ford four cylinder and dropped in a VW motor under the floor like in the microbus. I understand now.



Mark,
Yes you guys do have a bit of trouble with proper English sometimes!
However, it sounds like you have got the idea of where i'm coming from exactly there!

James
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Posted: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 10:43 PM UTC

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Coming along very nicely James, nice work in particular with the wood grain pattern matching.



Thanks Bill, glad you like the woodgrain, took some serious swiss army knife skills to get it to match I can tell you!

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Posted: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 11:08 PM UTC

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Maybe a stupid question, but where's the engine?



Not a stupid question in itself but it is when you consider I have explained this twice! Your answer is in my post, 5 posts before yours.

James
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Posted: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 11:09 PM UTC

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James,

Great effort so far.


Cheers
Michael



Thanks Michael, hope you like seeing your old parts with a new lease of life!

Cheers,

James
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Posted: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 11:11 PM UTC
Great progress - looking forward to see more

Thanks for sharing your project
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Posted: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 11:24 PM UTC
Update time!

Here are some pics of the completed build.
As I write this the kit is now sitting with a finished base coat of Dunklegelb, awaiting its Rotbraun (thanks Mark!) camouflage, will get snapping for you when I get chance!

Please excuse the precarious placement of some parts and the obvious blu-tak, these parts have been left seperate for painting.

Cheers,

James









And with Trailer:



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Posted: Thursday, June 28, 2007 - 12:22 AM UTC
Hey its looking real good now James.
If you need some markings I've a set or two of Verlinden dry transfers I can spare.