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1/25th Tiger 1
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Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 02:23 AM UTC
Hi All,

Been a couple days since the last update. You know, family, life, work and all that.

Todays Update: Cannon and Mantlet

Whne looking at the kit barrel, I hoped that there was a replacement out in cyber hobby land somewhere. Being 1/25, I doubted that. Replacement barrels are worth itfor me, as i dislike getting rid of the barrel joints. Groooan, tedious work.

At work, a friend runs the CNC machine. I asked him if he could make me the barrel and muzzle brake. He said he could. Then I asked which was easier fo him to work from, a plan or the actual part. It dosen't matter was his response.

I glued the kit barrel together for use as a template, when I notices some missing things. There were a couple collars fore and aft on the barrel that were missing, and of course the lock nut on the muzzle brake. I did a basic sand down of the seams, then got into it more, filling, sanding, dilling, sanding. When I was done, the barrel looked good enough to use, so I didnt even bother to have the aluminum one made!



On to the mantlet. This was one of the major things about the Tamiya kit that didn't look right to me. Comparing to the Jentz & Doyle plans, I found the mantlet too tall, and also the cheeks were missing some bevels. To correct the mantlet height would have required some major cutting, fabricating, sanding etc to correct the angles of the turret shell where they meet. Not going there, would have been a lot of and and !

For the cannon barrel to be attached to the mantlet, the breach needed to be assembled, and attached to the rear face of the mantlet. I should have known something was comming. My kits example of the matlet was slightly warped. Now, in 1/25th scale, its a substantial hunk o plastic! Had to use some heavy duty clamps to attach the breach to the mantlet.

After that was done, the first detail was added, some numbers were shaved off old sprue and glued on with liquid cement.



Mating the mantlet to barrel revealed that the barrel was a little wobbly, so I inserted a length of aluminum tube for stability.

To add some bevels to the mantlets cheeks was not as simple as just sanding them on,, A small strip of plastic was added to the inside face. If this was not done, the cheeks would not have been wide enough .



This pic shows one side with the strip added, smoothed off and puttied up. The other side had the striip added, but not yet cut flush. To add this strip was kind of a PITA, as the angle had to be correct to secure it firmly to the existing cheek slope.



The other side trimmed flush and sanded a bit.

There were a few sink holes in the mantlet face that needed to be filled as well.

Once these steps were done, then I was able to sand the new bevels in the cheeks on the top, bottom and side.

Screw holes were added in their correct locations on the collar by simply drilling in a bit.

A small notch was carved in the lower RHS of the mantlet also.

Noticibly missing was the retainer clip around the large bolts on the mantlet collar. These were made with a little trial and error, thin sheet Evergreen plastic, my trusty Olaf circle cutter and a drill bit.





These were attached to the mantlet, and repeated for the other side.



When all that was done, a coating of Mr Surfacer was added. I dry fitted the mantlet to the turret and something else jumped put at me. On the top of the mantlet and cannon where it sits in the turret shell, the area is squared off, but should be angular. Is is apparent in the profile of the tank. Sooo, out came the sanding sticks and the dremel tool, some scrap plastic, putty, glue.





That's basically it for the cannon and mantlet. The only other thing I did was add the interior parts thinking they could be needed for counterballancing. The muzzle break was drilled out for the co axial MG 34. I didn't detail any of the interior stuff though, just cleaned up the parts and slapped em on!











Next up, mounting the mantlet... at a later date.
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Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 02:35 AM UTC
Hi

Thanks for the list and the last set of photos.

I'm still wondering how I'm going to save this thread for future reference.

Appreciate your time in putting this on the site for us.

Thanks

Alan
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Posted: Thursday, January 31, 2008 - 03:50 AM UTC
More excellent work Matt, thanks for keeping us posted!

It strikes me that with all the work you're putting into the exterior why you didn't decide to add more of the interior? Even some through the hatch detail?
I understand to correct it all would have meant twice as much time spent working it, but would it have sufficed as is?

James
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Posted: Friday, February 01, 2008 - 01:45 AM UTC

Quoted Text

More excellent work Matt, thanks for keeping us posted!

It strikes me that with all the work you're putting into the exterior why you didn't decide to add more of the interior? Even some through the hatch detail?
I understand to correct it all would have meant twice as much time spent working it, but would it have sufficed as is?

James



Hi James,

The reason for no interior is my friend and kit owner (Chuck G) specifically requested a closed hatch tank. Again, no sweat for me, as its less to build, paint, etc. The interior is similar to the exterior, in that most of the parts are there, but missized, or badly moulded. An example that springs to mind is that a Jerry can in moulded to the turret floor, would have been easy to make it a seperate piece. The engine block is funny, with the radiators springing off of it looking like a satelite solar panels or something. Kind of funny though, have been using some interior parts already, if only for balance and functionality. Next update you will see a few more!

Thanks for asking,

Matt
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Posted: Friday, February 01, 2008 - 03:18 AM UTC

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Quoted Text

More excellent work Matt, thanks for keeping us posted!

It strikes me that with all the work you're putting into the exterior why you didn't decide to add more of the interior? Even some through the hatch detail?
I understand to correct it all would have meant twice as much time spent working it, but would it have sufficed as is?

James



Hi James,

The reason for no interior is my friend and kit owner (Chuck G) specifically requested a closed hatch tank. Again, no sweat for me, as its less to build, paint, etc. The interior is similar to the exterior, in that most of the parts are there, but missized, or badly moulded. An example that springs to mind is that a Jerry can in moulded to the turret floor, would have been easy to make it a seperate piece. The engine block is funny, with the radiators springing off of it looking like a satelite solar panels or something. Kind of funny though, have been using some interior parts already, if only for balance and functionality. Next update you will see a few more!

Thanks for asking,

Matt



Fair enough Matt,

What the man wants, the man gets! (and he should be pretty stoked with all of the extra work on the exterior anyhow!)

James
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Posted: Friday, February 01, 2008 - 12:04 PM UTC
Coming along nicely.
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Posted: Friday, February 01, 2008 - 02:43 PM UTC
Matt,

the kitty is coming along so wonderful... I'm really glad that you started the post on this monster of a kit.. looking forward to more progress

Chris
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 12:03 AM UTC
Thanks guys for watching this thread.

Todays Update: Mounting the cannon!

This would sound like an easy task, after the mantlet and barrel were squared away. As I found out, nothing is easy with this build lol.

When dry fitting the mantlet into the turret shell, I noticed that the axis' were off from one side to the other. If used the pins supplied in the kit, the mantlet would appear at an angle, left side high, right side low, when looking from the front.

OK, I do have copper tubing, which provided a nice stable, all-the-way-through axle.



I cut the axle flush, so I can hide it under the lifting lugs.



Now I had to make those up too! First step was to punch some disks of Evergreen out with a home made punch. The punch is simply brass tube of tthe correct diameter, sharpened up with the dremel tool to create a cutting surface. Smack it theough some Evergreen stock and voila!



These were glued on the turret to hide the axle ends.



The lifting lugs themselves are more Evergreen tube stock with the Tamiya kit parts on the end. A couple holes were drilled and the ubiquitous weld beads added.



That was about it to mount the mantlet. Because I had used the breech interior parts, the turret would not sit flush on my bench anymore. I added the urret floor and mounting struts from the kit to provide a stable base where nothing would get damaged during the rest of the building process.

Here's a few pics of the turret shell before m ounting the cannon and mantlet.





Screw holes were added to the turret toof where the internal gun travel lock mounts. Also, holes were drilled for the wiring for the smoke dischargers. THe entire turret also got the Mr Surfacer treatment.




Next update will have the completed turret, and some size comparison pics.

Again, thanks for watching everyone.

Matt
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 07:24 AM UTC
HI

i really like the way this is turning out.

Keep up the good work and keep the pics coming.

Tom
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 05:37 PM UTC
Another great update Matt, keep em' rollin'!

James
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 08:02 PM UTC
Great project!! Ever considered a1/16th RC project yet?

Martin
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 08:19 PM UTC
This is going to be an absolute stunner when its finished

Des
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 11:00 PM UTC

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Great project!! Ever considered a1/16th RC project yet?

Martin



Hi Martin,

I think a 1/16 Tamiya Tiger wouldn;t be nearly as much work to detail! It's a better kit right out of the box. To answer your question, non I haven't considered it. There's a reason for that, I don't have one.. nor the 400 to buy one! lol

Thanks for commenting.

Matt
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 11:01 PM UTC
Hi Carl, Chris,Tom, James and Des,

Thanks for the comments, I'll keep posting 'till this kitty is done!

Matt
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Posted: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 11:36 PM UTC
Todays Update: That Turret's DONE!

Once the mantlet and cannon were attached and the lifting lugs recreated, all that was left to do was attach the cupola.

Here's a few pics of the completed turret. The barrel was primed with Mr Surfacer 1200 straight out of the rattle can to check for gaps etc.

One detail that is missing, but will be added later, are the latches for tthe Rommelskiste bin lids. I checked the Aber German Clamp set post 1943 set for 1/25, and theres something I can use for the latches. Once I get it, I'll attach.














And a couple more for some size comparisons.

1/35 figgie:



1/35 Panther turret:



$0.25 US



That's pretty much it for the turret. I started work on the Feifels, but think I will wait until some more hull updates are done before showing those

Matt
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 11:38 AM UTC
Man thats so cool.
I love it.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 03:54 PM UTC
Great job so far on this Big tank.

Keep them pictures coming.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 05:01 PM UTC
HI

Really good job. Just goes to show that even a little bit of modeling basics can improve a kit.

This is great ref blog for anyone wishing to improve this model.

Tom
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Posted: Monday, February 11, 2008 - 10:45 PM UTC
Hello!
Today’s Update: Sponson reinforcements

Some slight background before getting into the update. After I finished with the turret pics, that pretty much brought me up to date. There was one exception; I did start work on rebuilding the Feifel canisters when I got frustrated with a part of the turret build. I do have some progress on those, but will post later on. Believe me, I think you will find it interesting, used some great technology to help me out!

I didn't want to carry on to far with the Feifels though, realizing they might get broken off if mounted, as there are still some details to be taken care of on the lower hull.

So, that's where I am today. One of the most obvious details missing, especially in this large scale, was the distinctive scalloped reinforcement between the sponsonand the lower hull. Long ago, I had started scratching them, but was disappointed with the results. Still not totally happy with them, but it's better than nothing!

First, I cut some Evergreen stock to the correct length and width. Holes were then drilled at the correct spacing.


(There are 2 sections on each reinforcement with different hole spacing. This one is the rear.)

The holes were then reamed out with a rat tail file and somewhat corrected for size.



These strips were cut in half, creating two (more or less) identical pieces.



The very bottom edges of the diameter were then trimmed off creating a wider arc, better simulating the real thing.



With a little more sanding and shaping, they are ready for attachment. A total of 4 scalloped lengths were needed to complete one side, 2 sections for the lower hull and 2 sections (mirror image) for the sponson. In reality, there were just the forward and rear sections, as the angle was bent into the reinforcements.

A couple pics of the forward parts being built.





Some dimples were drilled in the parts.



And the forward parts installed.



Here are 2 pics of the other side installed.





Next step will be to add bolt heads to the upper flange, and then the support will be complete. Haven't gotten there yet though!! The other night I tried, and failed , to include the weld seam that runs the entire length down these reinforcing flanges. Because there is some variations in the scallops, it looked sloppy and I chose not to include them at all.

Just for grins, here is a pic of my messy bench. I tend to hold onto scrap plastic until a project is complete; never know when it can come in handy!



Matt


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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2008 - 02:20 PM UTC
Hello!
I follow Your relation and wait daily for more.Very impressive work.
I hope this will be very good info for You - new PE grills for Tiger I by Aber !!
I suspect this kit in shop next week.Hope we see side fenders and another PE kit soon.
Send reagards Piter
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2008 - 06:06 PM UTC
HI

Please don't run out of steam (like I do ..hahah)

How bad are the wheels? I can see that being a major time consumer.

Hmm are you going to be using etch for this?

I have just realized that I am living vicariously through your build ....hahahah

Is that a Starblazers I see atop your bench? ;-)

Tom
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Posted: Friday, February 15, 2008 - 06:47 PM UTC
Nice work on the Tiger, impressive results. If you dont want to spend 400€ on a Tamiya have you considered one of the 1:16 Henglongs? I have the PzIII and as a basis for a detailjob its not bad, since the overall dimensions are good.

I can see you are into handloading too - hunting ?

Cheers/Jan
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2008 - 10:29 PM UTC
Hi Pieter,

Thanks for following along! There will be a suprise coming soon with the grills

Matt
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Posted: Monday, February 18, 2008 - 10:43 PM UTC

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HI

Please don't run out of steam (like I do ..hahah)

How bad are the wheels? I can see that being a major time consumer.

Hmm are you going to be using etch for this?

I have just realized that I am living vicariously through your build ....hahahah

Is that a Starblazers I see atop your bench? ;-)

Tom



Hi Tom,

Well ran out of steam once on it, but back into the build as you can see! The wheels dont look too bad, even thought I have only looked at them on the sprues. We'll see when it's time for them to go on.

Etch? Yes. I plan on getting the Aber German Tool Holders 1943 and later set for this. Pieter can you help me out ?

And yes, that's a litle Starblazers missle cruiser I built to get me out of the AMS rut when I finished my Panther F. Fun little kit!

Matt