Hello everyone,
This is my first time with a build log, so if it doesn't flow I apologize now. The project is nearly complete, but I figured that I would give this a try.
Here is my journey back in time for both the kit I'm using and the techniques used to build it...
Our club decided to do this build, no real rules just Grossdeutschland at Kursk. I decided to detail the kit like I would have back in the old days... scratch. I also decided to switch from the rivited hull to the welded hull version. So I started scraping...
Moving to the interior, well let's just say the kit parts were not what I wanted, but with some plastic strips it started taking shape.
The dash and firewall needed a little work too...
and a little paint...
I kit bashed some new air intakes from an AFV club kit and opened up the side vision ports. Also added details to the interior of the vision ports.
Base coat, wash, and dry brush...
Here a junk box radio is added and antenna wire add (I'm putting an additional crows foot on the left rear hull)
Benches and storage bins are ready and it's time for some rifles.
The interior is coming together...
...but there are some things to do before I can fit the upper and lower hull together. I need to modify the doors, and build a driver.
For the doors I cleaned up the heavy hinge fittings and added a closure mechanism (oh yeah and built some new seat backs).
Of cours there isn't any figure available that I can squeeze into the drivers hole, so with some sawing, shaving, and putty, I built one. I added the seat back right onto the figure to make him easier to install.
That went so well I decided to add a few more...
Ok, there is more, but that will have to wait.
Thanks for looking!
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Sdkfz 251/1 Scratch Detail
Babcat
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Posted: Monday, December 15, 2008 - 11:50 AM UTC
panzerkampfw
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Posted: Monday, December 15, 2008 - 08:48 PM UTC
incredible
MrGIJod
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Posted: Monday, December 15, 2008 - 09:11 PM UTC
Good start man... I love Sd.kfz 251 too
FalkeEins
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Posted: Monday, December 15, 2008 - 10:04 PM UTC
very nice!..
could you provide a little more explanation on putting together the figures...
cheers!
trahe
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Posted: Monday, December 15, 2008 - 10:36 PM UTC
All I can say is wow! Please share more info on your figures!
Babcat
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Posted: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 02:00 AM UTC
I will get some more info and photos on the figures today, for now though I will try to get up to the current progress.
Part of the reason the build kind of jumps around is just because that's how I build! With the Interior set it is time to work on the drive train. Instead of entirely rebuilding the kit drive train I decided to add some junk box detail (most of it will be covered by wheels and track anyway.
For the front suspension I addeded some bolt heads and thinned the tie rod connections.
Now back exterior stowage boxes, since they are sheet metal I decided to dent them up a bit with the dremmel and som glue drops (for bulges). Then added latches.
I useed foil to make the damaged door in this picture.
I found a couple pictures of this door latch so I decided to build one.
In this shot I have added lift points on the nose and the vision port covers are tacked in (They will be open later). After a coat of Future the decals will be added (I kind of lost the sheet so once again I'm off to the junk box to see what I have).
The air brush is acting up, but though it is not the best paint job, it will do. A wash has been applied, and in the next shot dry brushing is done.
While that rests a bit I added some tie downs to the pioneer tools. Wire wrapped around a homade form (the same one for the box latches) does the job.
Pioneer tools are painted and installed and paint chips added to the hull.
And that is were it sets now. I know that is more or less a condesed version, so if there are details that you would like to know, I will do my best to explain them.
Thanks
Part of the reason the build kind of jumps around is just because that's how I build! With the Interior set it is time to work on the drive train. Instead of entirely rebuilding the kit drive train I decided to add some junk box detail (most of it will be covered by wheels and track anyway.
For the front suspension I addeded some bolt heads and thinned the tie rod connections.
Now back exterior stowage boxes, since they are sheet metal I decided to dent them up a bit with the dremmel and som glue drops (for bulges). Then added latches.
I useed foil to make the damaged door in this picture.
I found a couple pictures of this door latch so I decided to build one.
In this shot I have added lift points on the nose and the vision port covers are tacked in (They will be open later). After a coat of Future the decals will be added (I kind of lost the sheet so once again I'm off to the junk box to see what I have).
The air brush is acting up, but though it is not the best paint job, it will do. A wash has been applied, and in the next shot dry brushing is done.
While that rests a bit I added some tie downs to the pioneer tools. Wire wrapped around a homade form (the same one for the box latches) does the job.
Pioneer tools are painted and installed and paint chips added to the hull.
And that is were it sets now. I know that is more or less a condesed version, so if there are details that you would like to know, I will do my best to explain them.
Thanks
Babcat
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Posted: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 03:26 AM UTC
Here is a quick down and dirty on the figures. Because finding a figure that will fit where you want him, and is wearing what you want, and is doing what you want is darn near impossible. I started researching sculpting and there is a lot of good information out there, but it still takes practice and that is where I am right now, and this is what I've learned so far.
Practice and evolve... The clay that I am using for the uniforms is an epoxy with about an hour working time. It's a little sticky, but wetting the tools helps.
The tools are pretty simple, a fine crochet hook, a tooth cleaner thingy, and some home made wire loops.
Since I'm just starting I do use some resin cast copies, or scavanged parts, for some of the more difficult pieces.
The progression goes something like this. A wire frame (I was soldering them, but decided the clay works just as good), add boots, and torso (cutting the wire as you go). Then layers of clay, building individual pieces of clothing. The third guy from the left was a bit short so I had to stretch him.
I'm working on heads too, but I'm not sure if they will make it to this project or not. I started using the green stuff...
...but the results just were not what I wanted. So I switched to a polymer clay, unlimited working time and not sticky seemed to help.
Sure they still need practice, but they are much closer. I do still use the epoxy clay as a "skull" to build the face on, otherwise it moves too much when you shape it.
I think that does it for a quick and dirty on the figures, I will get more on them after the half track is done.
Practice and evolve... The clay that I am using for the uniforms is an epoxy with about an hour working time. It's a little sticky, but wetting the tools helps.
The tools are pretty simple, a fine crochet hook, a tooth cleaner thingy, and some home made wire loops.
Since I'm just starting I do use some resin cast copies, or scavanged parts, for some of the more difficult pieces.
The progression goes something like this. A wire frame (I was soldering them, but decided the clay works just as good), add boots, and torso (cutting the wire as you go). Then layers of clay, building individual pieces of clothing. The third guy from the left was a bit short so I had to stretch him.
I'm working on heads too, but I'm not sure if they will make it to this project or not. I started using the green stuff...
...but the results just were not what I wanted. So I switched to a polymer clay, unlimited working time and not sticky seemed to help.
Sure they still need practice, but they are much closer. I do still use the epoxy clay as a "skull" to build the face on, otherwise it moves too much when you shape it.
I think that does it for a quick and dirty on the figures, I will get more on them after the half track is done.
redmike
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Posted: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 03:42 AM UTC
Thanks for sharing. Your head sculpts are really cool. you are making a 30+ year old kit look awesome. great job.
mopnglo
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Posted: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 06:58 AM UTC
Very cool! It's amazing what you can do with such simple tools! Thanks for the great photos.
exer
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Posted: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 07:23 AM UTC
Jonathan, this is a terrific build log. I like your Junk box approach. I also like your attitude to finding crew figures, "Can't find them- what the hell I'll build them.
Nice to see a crowded halftrack too.
Nice to see a crowded halftrack too.
Neo
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Posted: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 02:42 AM UTC
Hey Jonathan.
I tried the same thing last year (never finished mine shockingly enough). But you've gone to the next level. Very nice, added detail looks great. And scratching all the figure too - outstanding.
Keep posting updates - can't wait to see this one finished.
I tried the same thing last year (never finished mine shockingly enough). But you've gone to the next level. Very nice, added detail looks great. And scratching all the figure too - outstanding.
Keep posting updates - can't wait to see this one finished.
Babcat
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Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2008 - 07:31 AM UTC
Thanks everyone for the comments. I should have some more pictures later tonight or tomorrow morning. I've been working on the wheels (not one of my favorite parts) and they are about ready for dry brushing,
Babcat
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Posted: Friday, December 19, 2008 - 05:27 AM UTC
Here is the next installment.
I ground out the head lights and painted the interior with white and a bit of silver, then add 5 minute epoxy for the lens.
Then I added cloth black-out covers.
Next, down to the wheels and some mud for effect.
This is the leveling compound that I use for mud, as well as tree bark on my wire trees.
After a coat of paint...
...wash'em, dry brush'em, and stick'em on!
I am testing this stuff out (I suppose testing on the model is not the best idea) on the muffler. It still hasn't rusted the way I want, but I'll try a couple more coats.
I looks like the traks are next on the list.
I ground out the head lights and painted the interior with white and a bit of silver, then add 5 minute epoxy for the lens.
Then I added cloth black-out covers.
Next, down to the wheels and some mud for effect.
This is the leveling compound that I use for mud, as well as tree bark on my wire trees.
After a coat of paint...
...wash'em, dry brush'em, and stick'em on!
I am testing this stuff out (I suppose testing on the model is not the best idea) on the muffler. It still hasn't rusted the way I want, but I'll try a couple more coats.
I looks like the traks are next on the list.
scratchmod
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Posted: Friday, December 19, 2008 - 10:51 AM UTC
Looks realy good, and brave on your part. I did the same about 5 years ago,and it took me nearly 9 months to complete,never again.
Your figures are awsome and so is the 251. I can't wait to see this one when your finished.
Rob
Your figures are awsome and so is the 251. I can't wait to see this one when your finished.
Rob
Babcat
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Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2008 - 02:43 PM UTC
More experimenting, but it's working (I think..). The rust is coming along on the muffler with two coats of the rusting agent so far.
I also have a couple of new ideas for the tracks. Since I want to keep it scratch I decided to use the kit rubber band tracks. But they needed a little something, so I drilled'em, and they don't look too bad. I tried something new for fixing the ends to, I dipped them in some resin to get a solid fit. So far it looks like it should work pretty good, I still need to clean them up.
Next I have to figure out the track droop, I was thinking of using thread to tie them to the wheels.
I also have a couple of new ideas for the tracks. Since I want to keep it scratch I decided to use the kit rubber band tracks. But they needed a little something, so I drilled'em, and they don't look too bad. I tried something new for fixing the ends to, I dipped them in some resin to get a solid fit. So far it looks like it should work pretty good, I still need to clean them up.
Next I have to figure out the track droop, I was thinking of using thread to tie them to the wheels.
padawan_82
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Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2008 - 04:25 PM UTC
hi Jonathan what else can be said but you are a modelling god amongst men, i tip my hat to you simply amazing... wish i was half as good
Babcat
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Posted: Monday, December 22, 2008 - 03:15 AM UTC
Once agian thanks for looking and thanks for the comments (Wilkes, your killin' me man!).
Back to the tracks, here they are rusted and washed...
...then the pads painted, and dry brushing applied.
Pop'em on and... no droop.
So, in the past I have tied them with thread or put posts in above the track (not good for open top vehicles), but one more experiment... I used wire, much easier.
I tried painting the wire first, but it didn't stay very well, so I'll have to touch them up. The other thing I noticed is that they will cut the track if you pull them back and forth too much (I stopped just in time!). Also I was a little rough on the wheels so I will have to touch them up too.
Back to the tracks, here they are rusted and washed...
...then the pads painted, and dry brushing applied.
Pop'em on and... no droop.
So, in the past I have tied them with thread or put posts in above the track (not good for open top vehicles), but one more experiment... I used wire, much easier.
I tried painting the wire first, but it didn't stay very well, so I'll have to touch them up. The other thing I noticed is that they will cut the track if you pull them back and forth too much (I stopped just in time!). Also I was a little rough on the wheels so I will have to touch them up too.
Babcat
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Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 04:16 AM UTC
The first of the figures is done! I did end up using one of the verlinden heads (mine are not quite there yet), the torso was a resin cast copy, the boots Tamiya, the hands Italerai, and the rest sculpted from the epoxy clay.
Ok, here he is seated, unfinished...
...and finished...
...and all by himself.
Now back to the work bench, only seven more to go!
Ok, here he is seated, unfinished...
...and finished...
...and all by himself.
Now back to the work bench, only seven more to go!
Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 05:00 AM UTC
FANTASTIC!!! It's amazing what you can do with an ancient kit with a lot of skill and imagination. Very nice!
Jeff
Jeff
pdelsoglio
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Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 06:21 AM UTC
Superb job! Just superb example of schratchbuilding!
Keep those images coming!
Cheers, mate!
Keep those images coming!
Cheers, mate!
Tanker9
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2009 - 07:01 PM UTC
Wow, I'm new here and just saw this-! Fantastic! Amazing! Fabulous work!
Jon, you are a True Artist!
251s Rock!
Jon, you are a True Artist!
251s Rock!
yeahwiggie
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2009 - 08:43 PM UTC
I can not understand how I missed this one!!!
Jonathan, I must say I'm very impressed!!
What a way of tackling this oldie. Superb!!
You are giving a dying star in the 251-heaven new light!
And those figures.... You should make these commercially available and put me up for one complete set!!!
The last compliment I'll be giving for now (to avoid you getting cocky.. ) is the step-by-step way of showing how you do things, with plenty of pictures. Do a feature on this, please!
Jonathan, I must say I'm very impressed!!
What a way of tackling this oldie. Superb!!
You are giving a dying star in the 251-heaven new light!
And those figures.... You should make these commercially available and put me up for one complete set!!!
The last compliment I'll be giving for now (to avoid you getting cocky.. ) is the step-by-step way of showing how you do things, with plenty of pictures. Do a feature on this, please!
Pyromaniac
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Posted: Monday, February 02, 2009 - 10:47 PM UTC
i am building the same kit at te moment and i have to say that you're doing a much better job than i am.
Babcat
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Posted: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 - 10:05 PM UTC
Luke,
I took a look at your 251 and I would have to say that it is pretty dang good. That's the thing about these old kits, you can take them just as far as you want. They are definately good for starting out, then as your technique advances, you want more detail, and more accuracey... you can keep right on building the same kit!
I took a look at your 251 and I would have to say that it is pretty dang good. That's the thing about these old kits, you can take them just as far as you want. They are definately good for starting out, then as your technique advances, you want more detail, and more accuracey... you can keep right on building the same kit!
tjkelly
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Posted: Friday, February 06, 2009 - 04:29 AM UTC
Fantastic! Truly amazing what you've done, like the wire used for the tool clamps. Nice touch!
Thanks for sharing, looking forward to seeing the figures in it! Nicely done!
Cheers -
Tim
Thanks for sharing, looking forward to seeing the figures in it! Nicely done!
Cheers -
Tim