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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 12:22 AM UTC
At last I have started my Karl!

I have now two problems.
1) Big problem. How to paint it? Grey is boring, 3 colored will look much better, but I didnt found photos or carts in 3 colors. I`ve seen photos of models but not prototype ((( So How paint them? Overwall yellow as mortar? Or bottom of carts was black?
2) Where put it after it will be completed? )))

Also I think it will be 54 cm version, which name will be correct?

ANY help is very welcome ))))
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 12:34 AM UTC
Box is realy huge and heavy. I realy don`t know how many parts there are... I`ve started assembling the first cart. Parts are well made, moulding is good, no flash etc.
For now I like to assemble it, will see what will be in future.
First photos are included:






Only inportant thing is to make the brakes in one line. Also important to make springs of suspention horysontal.
There is a little flash on springs but it can be easily removed. Most important to remove it on top side, on bottom it will be unseen anyway.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 01:36 AM UTC
Valery, according to the Tank Power book, although the photos make it look as if Karl followed the same pattern as the rest of German equipment in being painted grey early war then three colour later on, they say that the camouflage is just sand yellow stripes (in fact they think it isn't even the usual dunkelgelb) painted over the existing grey in. I will check in more detail what they say. This does seem possible, as unlike other German equipment, these are actually the same vehicles used throughout the war, so would actually have to be repainted, while the changeover in paint for other vehicles is largely achieved through the grey ones being withdrawn or destroyed and replaced by new or reconditioned ones in teh new scheme - maybe.
The book is worth getting by the way - here is the publisher's link:
http://www.militaria.net.pl/strony/281.html
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 02:06 AM UTC
I read that they were repainted in 1943 as other German weapons. Also were repainted carts, but no photos were included in book. There are photos of Karls painted in 3 color scheme, but no photos of carts.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 03:26 AM UTC
Looking good so far. I think the PG with DG camo would look cool especially when the weathering brings out the detailing.

Rob
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 03:57 AM UTC

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At last I have started my Karl!

I have now two problems.
1) Big problem. How to paint it? Grey is boring, 3 colored will look much better, but I didnt found photos or carts in 3 colors. I`ve seen photos of models but not prototype ((( So How paint them? Overwall yellow as mortar? Or bottom of carts was black?
2) Where put it after it will be completed? )))

Also I think it will be 54 cm version, which name will be correct?

ANY help is very welcome ))))



It's nice to see you starting the Karl! Here are the answers I can think of:
1) It depends on which kit you got, If it were the Initial kit, ( eight roadwheels, looks like mine) then from what I know you can only finish it in overall grey. The two names were Adam(Nr. I) and Eva (Nr. II). For the barrels, Eva used the 600mm barrel throughout her service life and I think was never repainted (I might be wrong with that point). But Adam used both barrels and I think was repainted. (Still not sure on that one)

If you have the regular kit (11 steel roadwheels) The vehicles were Nr. III (I think it was Odin and used a different track from all the others). Nr. IV, V, and VI were named Thor, Loki, and Ziu. All but Ziu used both barrels. Ziu only used the 600mm barrel. All these I think were photographed and were all in the camo patterns.

As for the Cullenmeyer transports. I'd figure all these would be the same as the mortar it hauled.

Check the instructions, it'll tell you which is which, most likely where you first start the mortar. If not here is were I got all of my info

http://perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/trumpeter/tr00208.htm
http://perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/trumpeter/tr00209.htm
http://geraet040.web.infoseek.co.jp/karl_top-e.html
http://jagdtiger.de/index2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morser_Karl

All of these are good sites.

Answer #2, You could always build a shelf!:p

I hoped this has helped. Be prepared for anguish, harsh words and small parts. But in the end you will see the fruits of your labor, a beautiful big boomer that will go anywhere and do anything as it pleases.

Richard

Currently constructing: Morser Karl Nr. II "Eva" (Trumpeter kit w/ initial and late hulls)

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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 05:42 AM UTC

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I read that they were repainted in 1943 as other German weapons. Also were repainted carts, but no photos were included in book. There are photos of Karls painted in 3 color scheme, but no photos of carts.



Yes, I agree that it does look like the normal three colour scheme and I had always thought that was the case, and I'm not convinced by the Tank Power book's claim that it is just yellow over the grey - although they even have a colour painting of it like this. I will try to find out more from other sources. It is very hard to tell the colours from black and white photos. As I said to Richard, there is the photo of one of them with lots of mud deliberately daubed on - although I can't see anyone going for this as most modellers like quite a neat look for this type of thing.

I am starting mine some time in the new year. I have also been worrying about where it should go when finished - my wife will go mad when she realises how big it is!

Valery, not sure what you mean by carts - do you mean the shells, cartridges, rounds?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 07:09 AM UTC

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Valery, not sure what you mean by carts - do you mean the shells, cartridges, rounds?



Excuse me for my English, I meant railway transport trailers.

Here are photos I`ve found.

It`s photo of grey Karl. Lower part of trucks looks black, it`s much darker then mortar itself and upper part of trucks.


Here is Karl when it was captured by allies. Mortar is camuflaged, but trucks are monotone. Or I can`t see camouflage on them. Or they were nor repainted.



After reading all books I`ve found, only in one was noticed about painting trucks. Book was: Widawnictwo Militaria Tank Power 281 Gerat 040/041Karl Morser. Page 45. Quotation: Originally, mortars were painted like other armoured equipment of German forces, ie in dark grey RAL 7027 PanzerGrau. (Basic color, like on box or on 90% of images in internet) During the battle of Sevastopol the dark grey was supplemented with irregular stripes of dark yellow, used, among others, by German Reichspost. The color was called Dienstgelb. (It`s variant Matthew noticed) Since the beginning of 1943, vehicles were repainted in standart colour Wermacht Olive with irregular green and dark brown spots. The transport trailers were painted in similar way. It`s variant I would like to build. But I can`t find any photos. Does anyone seen them?

Many thanks to all for feedback and help!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 - 07:15 AM UTC

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If you have the regular kit (11 steel roadwheels) The vehicles were Nr. III (I think it was Odin and used a different track from all the others). Nr. IV, V, and VI were named Thor, Loki, and Ziu. All but Ziu used both barrels. Ziu only used the 600mm barrel. All these I think were photographed and were all in the camo patterns.



11 wheels, 540 barrel. I think it wiil be Thor. Period after Sevastopol and before it was destroyed in summer 1944 near Paris.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 01:05 AM UTC
Valery, yes, that is the para I had been looking at, and I must say I misquoted it - it does say they were painted like other AFVs, although it is odd that it says "Wermacht Olive with irregular green and dark brown spots" - I think we must assume that this should be "dark yellow with green and dark brown spots", in other words the standard camouflage of 1943 on.

This bit is also odd: "During the battle of Sevastopol the dark grey was supplemented with irregular stripes of dark yellow, used, among others, by German Reichspost. The color was called Dienstgelb". The usual yellow would be "dunkelgelb" which just means dark yellow, but "diesntgelb" I think means "service yellow". I wonder if it really is a different colour, or whether that is a mistake from translation somewhere?

Those are two good photos by the way, where did you find them?

Are you any where near the museum where the composite Karl is? Russia is big, I know . . .
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Posted: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 - 06:47 AM UTC

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Valery, yes, that is the para I had been looking at, and I must say I misquoted it - it does say they were painted like other AFVs, although it is odd that it says "Wermacht Olive with irregular green and dark brown spots" - I think we must assume that this should be "dark yellow with green and dark brown spots", in other words the standard camouflage of 1943 on.


I think so too.


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This bit is also odd: "During the battle of Sevastopol the dark grey was supplemented with irregular stripes of dark yellow, used, among others, by German Reichspost. The color was called Dienstgelb". The usual yellow would be "dunkelgelb" which just means dark yellow, but "diesntgelb" I think means "service yellow". I wonder if it really is a different colour, or whether that is a mistake from translation somewhere?


I think its some color used by German Post. It seems to be real, they used paint that was acessible.


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Those are two good photos by the way, where did you find them?


Widawnictwo Militaria Tank Power 281 Gerat 040/041Karl Morser.
Also there is good book Bertha’s Big Brother KARL-GERAET (60 & 54 cm) - The Super Heavy Self Propelled Mortar [Armor Panzer Tracts]
I Dont know if it legal to post here links on these books in digital.
Also there are some good articles but they are in Russian.


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Are you any where near the museum where the composite Karl is? Russia is big, I know . . .


Russia is realy big, but there are only two remaining Karls in the world. First one (Thor) is in USA, as I know, its on mine second photo. Second is in Kubinka, near Moscow. It is composed from shoting part of Adam and running gear part of Ziu. I have its photos, but I was not in Kubinka, but I want to go there some day.
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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 09:46 PM UTC
So, the first trailer is ready! Unfortunately sprues of upper part are not good as bottoms are. There is some flash, but on most seen sides of parts, and displacements of halves. Also there are a lot of ejector marks. I hope this will not be seen after painting. Also about painting, I think I will paint lower parts of trailers (lower the"floor") in black, and all upper floor (and floor itself) in 3 coloured camouflage.







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Posted: Sunday, December 28, 2008 - 10:18 PM UTC
Very nice and clean work Valery! Looking forward to see the other parts of this big kit
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Posted: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 - 03:46 AM UTC
hi nice build any chance you can tell me the legth of the Morser KARL unit on its own please
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Posted: Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 02:02 AM UTC

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hi nice build any chance you can tell me the legth of the Morser KARL unit on its own please



Its about 32 cm (or 12.5 inch)
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Posted: Thursday, January 01, 2009 - 05:18 AM UTC
many thanks as i was looking at building the kit but dont have a lot of room to show them
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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 09:11 AM UTC
Some new photos of carriers. Now they are ready, I`ve added only rings on boards and pipes on domcrates.



Now work will go slower, I`ve bought an old Pontiac and it will take much of my money and time ((((((((((((
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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 01:47 PM UTC
Lookin good so far. Good luck on the vehicle itself!

Richard

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Posted: Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 05:02 PM UTC
Looking really good so far Valery, a nice clean build. That is going to be one huge model when done. Keep us posted on your progress.

Rob
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Posted: Friday, January 23, 2009 - 09:33 AM UTC
Yeah it wil be WERY BIG now I`m thinking to give it to my father, when it will be done, in my appartemen there will be no room for it (((((((((((((((
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Posted: Friday, January 23, 2009 - 09:41 AM UTC
Also, no offence, but can you give me more criticism, as sharp as you can? Sure any model have a lot of errors, and it will be much more easy to correct now, than it will be ready. On russian web sites people are wery critical, it will give less pleasure when you are building model (because anyone think his build is best), but with all advices model is much better! Is it correct in english: two heads better then one? So kick my build as hard as possible!
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Posted: Friday, January 23, 2009 - 09:51 AM UTC
Well, I see some flash there, some screw ups there, nah, just kidding! I personally don't see anything wrong except for maybe one thing. On the second to bottom picture, It looks like the far back part towards the left of the photo is floating or is apart. It may be that way but that is the only critisism I can find anywhere!

Richard

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Posted: Friday, January 23, 2009 - 09:57 AM UTC
It`s not glued for easier painting

Thanks for attentive view
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Posted: Friday, January 23, 2009 - 10:17 AM UTC
Makes sense. I can't see anything else that seems out of place...

Richard
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