Gents,

I just got the AFV Churchill and their new working tracks and I was wondering if you can do a Calgary Regiment tank in Dieppe with it? The kit just says Britain 1942 and overall dark green in the instructions.

TIA

Brad

Hey Brad,
You should be able to use the AFV Club Churchill III with some additions like wading gear and extended exhaust pipes.
The Churchill III was used at Dieppe along with Mk. I's and II's and some Mk. II Oke flamethrowers.
These sites will help:

http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/

http://northirishhorse.net/articles/Dieppe/16.html

Here are some photos I found on Wikipedia:







Hope that helps !!
Cheers

jjumbo

p.s. Where are you in B.C. ?

The Osprey book on Modelling the Churchill Tank includes a chapter on building a Dieppe tank (based on Tamiya's older kit, but the information on scratchbuilding the wading gear is still relevant). The book is available discounted through Amazon.com.

Thanks jjumbo and Gerald. I have most of the pics from the web, I just wanted to ensure that the kit plus mods was a good starting point.

jjumbo, I am in Victoria. My Grandfather was part of the Dieppe raid, so I thought I would build this with him in mind. He was with the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders and got as far as the town, but had to depart because of the tanks not getting there to support. He has pased on but I have been waiting for this kit for a while and want to do her up nice.

Thanks for the help

Brad

I have noticed that the kit has a serial number for one of the Calgary Regiment's tanks that actually got to the Promenade, thanks to your second link jjumbo. Unfortunately though, it's "Cougar" name was not included in the decals, but I think I may have some dry transfers for that.

Cheers
Brad

Hi Brad,
I've got the After the Battle book about Op Jubilee, I've always wanted to build a Dieppe Raid Churchill.

Matt

A full set of Dieppe Churchill markings are in the works - taking a lot of time because not all is what it seems - front and back Troop symbols and numbers are not the same size (and sometimes slight differences), this applies to AOS and regimental insignias too. I want to build a Dieppe model badly too, thus the venture into them markings...

With regards to Dieppe Churchills, you'll need to change the tracks to the earlier one - I think one of the aftermarket company does a set in resin. Hopefully AFV C releases one in plastic - probably when they venture into the Mark I/II versions. Lets petition for that shall we??

Cheers,

Lawrence

Thanks for that Lawrence, I guess I'll wait a bit then. AFV released a set of worable tracks, and they look accurate to me for a Mk III Cdn Churchill. I can hardly wait to start.

Cheers
Brad

By the way, the second body at the top is from US 1st Ranger Bn. ( One of the 50? who went along ), note the Dismounted Leggings and Field Jacket

AFV C released a set of Early tracks?? Did I miss any news? I know they have a set of Late workable tracks - suitable for some Mark IIIs and Tamiya kits. But most of Dieppe Churchills were fitted with early pattern tracks... Or maybe I've missed one or two fitted with Late patterns? If that's the case, can anyone point out to me which vehicle?

Cheers,

Lawrence

Btw, a number of them did not have bolts fitted on the hull sides - so save your $$ if you're tempted by the brass set...

Hey Brad,
Yeah, the idea of reconnaissance in force at Dieppe, from all accounts, was poorly planned and not enough support was given to the troops that were landed.
FYI -my Dad was born in England but grew up in Victoria, joined the Canadian Scottish as a cook's assistant and bat boy in 1936 and was a Major commanding an infantry company when he was discharged in 1946.
He'll be a fairly spry 87 soon and I've been working on a diorama based on some of his wartime anecdotes for about a year now.
Looking forward to seeing your Churchill !!!
Cheers

jjumbo

Hi Guys,
There's no need to wait for Churchill III markings. Decalcomaniacs! already makes a set of Churchill III markings. I have "Calgary" from Dieppe included, too. Plus, there are 6 gun tanks and a markings for 1 AVRE. The list is as follows:
I. “Betty," 7 trp, B Sqd, 3 Rivers Rgt, 1 Can TB, UK, 1943
II. "Sprinter IV," 14 trp, C Sqd, 43 Bat, 33 TB, 3 Mixed Div, UK, 1942
III. "Calgary," C Sqd, HQ, Calgary Rgt, 1 Can TB, Dieppe, AUG 1942
IV. "Waterloo," HQ, 153rd Royal Armoured Corps, 8th Battalion Essex Regiment, NWE, 1944
V. "Cookstown," C Sqn, 1Trp, North Irish Horse, 21st Tank Brigade, Tunisia, 1943
VI. "Feltham," 1st Sqn, 5Trp, 4th Battalion, Grenadier Guards, 6th Guards Armoured Brigade, UK, 1943
VII. "Legionnaire," 82nd Assault Squadron, 6th Assault Regiment, 79th Armoured Division, Germany, 1945 (AVRE)
VIII. "ASP," A Sqn, 51st Royal Tank Regiment, Tunisia, 1943

You can get them at my E-bay webstore .

Regards,
Georg Eyerman
Decalcomaniacs!

Osprey Modelling 21, Churchill
have a long article on how to build a MKIII Churchill, well worth the money, or loan....

Yes you can model a Dieppe Churchill with the AFV club kit. I would have to recommend going to the Calgary Museum of the Regiments to see a real Churchill used at Dieppe, and it does have that paint scheme and markings.

Hope this helps,

zaltar

I bet AFV will release a Dieppe Churchill sooner rather then later. Maybe even this year

The Dieppe raid was planned at Wisbourough Green in Sussex, not far from where I live. The Sea Cadet unit that I used to be an instructor with stood Honour Guard for the veterans at the commemoration ceremony every year from 1949 on, and the church doors carry a memorial.
Brave men all and it was a pleasure to have met them. I believe that the ceremony has now ceased as there were only 4 vets left at the last ceremony I attended. I also had the honour of escorting Colonel 'Pat' Porteous VC the year before his death in 2000.

I'm looking forward to seeing your finished model.

That would be a surprise to the Museum! If you're talking about the one outside, It's a Mk.VII Crocodile I believe, not even close to the Mk.II/III's used at Dieppe. The AFV Club Mk.III is a start, but most if not all were fitted with the early track. The only individual tracks that AFV Club have done so far are just indy link replacements for the one-piece kit tracks. What you need is the Cromwell Dieppe conversion. Check out the review for the Resicast early tracks too.

Jim

Hey

I have to second Jim's comments, the Churchill at the Military Museum (formerly Museum of the Regiments) here in Calgary is a Churchill Mk VII Crocodile without the trailer. You can see walkaround photos on Primeportal.com. It is however painted up to look like a Dieppe Churchill.

As for the tracks, the Churchills at Dieppe had the Early style plate tracks. Resicast has just released a set, and before them (if you can find them and get a set) IMA (International Model Asia) produced a set (non-workable). Those are the only early style tracks available to make a Dieppe Churchill that I am aware of. I picked up the IMA Mk I-II & MK III Churchill conversion sets a while back... amazing conversions but extremely hard to find now (Mission Models still has them posted but I doubt they can get them anymore). All Pre Cleaned!! Now what do I do with them??

I've got photos of the differences, if I can get something together I'll post the differences later today.

If you are planning on doing a Dieppe Churchill go on amazon.ca and pick up Through the Lens - Dieppe by Hugh Henry - Trust me this is book as everything you'll ever need to build one. After the battle the Germans documented everything for propaganda purposes. There's even a short B/W film footage taken after the battle on the web somewhere.

Lawrence - Will your Dieppe Decal set have generic numbers and letters so a person can also do a Dieppe Dingo scout car??

I'll follow your progress. I've been meaning to build one for the past several years. Cheers!!

Carmen

Well, thanks everyone. I was told by my LHS that the seperate workable AFV tracks are the ones to get, so I got them along with the tank kit. Oh well, live and learn, I'll see if I can take the tracks back. I'll check the resicast ones out as I want to do a Dieppe Churchill in memory of my Grand Dad.

Cheers All

Brad

Hey Brad

Yeah there were alot of people told the same thing you were. Here's the difference:

Old Plate Style Tracks


Late Style Tracks


Depending on your skill level I would recommend Mark Bannerman's approach to the Deep Wading gear, but if that's not your forte Resicast does have them in Resin... I have a set... I'm not sure which way I want to go yet... The molding is good but it doesn't have that sharp crisp look if you were to build it yourself.

Cheers Brad!!

Other good reference: Mr Churchill's Tank - David Fletcher. There's a whole chapter on "With the Canadians" and it does cover Dieppe, but "Through the Lens" has EVRYTHING. My grandfather did several exercises with Churchills in England before the invastion of Sicily and Italy. He fought with the West Novies.

Ha! I just noticed that one set of tracks on the Mk I is on backwards... too funny...

Hi the markings in the AFV Club kit are for WD number T68173, which was indeed at Dieppe. The tank was landed off Tank Landing Craft 2. She wore the name "Cougar", was in C Squadron as leader of troop 13(who came up with that troop number?!) and was fitted with a TLC which was a device with a large spool, mounted on the front of the tank for laying a 3m wide hessian carpet. This helped infantry to cross obsticals such as barbed wire, and to some degree helped stop the tanks getting stuck in the pebble beach (in theory).
Tanks could have been either Bronze green or possibly SCC2, a brown tone, at the time of Dieppe depending on who you ask.

so for a dieppe landing you would need to add the name and a deep wading set, along with parts for the carpet layer which you would probably have to scratch build..

paul

This seems to get more and more complicated as we go doesn't it. Why can't model companies get their research correct??? incorrect tracks, and incomplete details. Maybe their thought process was to depict this particular Churchill tank prior to the raid in England? I am not so mad about the markings, but it's the tracks that seem to want me to scratch my head in wonderment.

Where's my wingy thingys...

Brad

Carmen, how do you order from Resicast, or can you?

Brad