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Dragon gen2 Wiking Grenadiers
tskross
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Posted: Monday, March 02, 2009 - 09:05 AM UTC
OK,
This will be a little log about these figures.
Well I've been working on the Dragon Wiking Winter Grenadiers intending to eventually put them in a little dio with my tamiya panther ausf a (as seen here: oob panther ausf a ) I am only planning on using the first two figures (saving the very nice mg crew for a different project)
I really enjoy figure modelling and trying to get the most out of what you get in the box and having said that I was really exciting to get this set of gen 2 figures, my first, in anticipation of the detail and accessories provided.



As this isn't a kit review I won't go over every little detail about the kit, only to say that the figures themselves consist of at least 16 pieces, not including equipment!! So the build was quite arduous to say the lest. I wish I had taken some photos because I heavily modified the first figure (from the left) including sawing his right leg off at the knee to get a more pronounced bend, increasing the angle of his back (so he was leaning over more) and modifying his overall posture to lean forward more and be more hunched over, both to get closer to the dynamic movement of the box cover, but also because I intend to have him creeping up the side of an embankment. It took me 2 weeks of sanding, filing, fitting, then filling with epoxy sculpt and putty to get his to this stage! The anorak parts were especially difficult as there are 4 pieces for the part of the anorak that falls below the waist and another two for the hood and I had to use apoxy sculpt in order to fill those gaps and simulate the folds (on the first figure I had to sculpt another section in the front because the gap was so big after I modified the legs!! And those damn grenades sticking out of his belt were one of the hardest parts (in all fairness because of my modification to the pose) but they look so good I just couldn't skip them! The second figure I did no modification to stance other than turn his torso and head slightly to give him a more 'gaurded' appearance, and I changed his weapon which meant I had to use some hornet hands for the right grip. There were the same issues with the anorak here as well, and it takes some creative use of the putty to get the fur parts of the hood to blend together!
compare these images to the box:


the two figures basecoated in an approximation of their final placement (note that they are reversed in order from that shown on the box top)



I have to say I feel like the effort was worth it (after all thats why we do this right!) and I am pretty happy with the build. As you can see I replaced the rifle in his hand with binoculars supplied in the kit. The detail of the weapons and accessories is excellent and crisp while parts of the figures seem a little soft in comparison (maybe its just because it is an anorak!?) anyways it will be good enough. And the inclusion of the weapons' straps is really nice.



The second figure from the left on the box top. You can see how stiff the pose is compared to the box top, but for my purpose this works out quite well as he is supposed to be on the lookout while his kamerad scouts the way for them to escape the kessel, and I think it conveys a certain tension!

I have airbrushed a black Tamiya basecoat. I read that Calvin Tan does this, so I thought I would give it a go! Plus I figure it will help add those shadows to the deep folds under the anoraks and trousers, and give the figures an overall darker appearance in the end.


(sorry for the image quality, it was really difficult to take pics of these slightly shiny black figures!!)

Next I will begin brushing on the base colors hopefully with Vallejo (if I can convince my wife it is worth the dough!) I plan on using a combination of acrylics and artist's oils to acheive the effect I am after, which is to try to capture the same kind of style as volstad portrays on the box top.
bizzychicken
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Posted: Monday, March 02, 2009 - 09:56 AM UTC
X- lant conversions, I love "Wiking" Really invest in some Vallejo they really do make a massive differance. I've used all other acrylic paint brands and there was always somthing not quite right when figure painting .Go for it! You won't need many to start , just anther couple of £ well spent. Geraint P.s The Gren with the SMG looks alot like a Figure Tank makes, but you've made him for a 1/4 of the price A1
tskross
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Posted: Monday, March 02, 2009 - 10:06 AM UTC
Thanks Geraint!
Yeah I've always been interested in those tank figures but you know...$,£,¢....!
I'm currently working on an alpine us tanker, and it is really beautiful, also a modification and I really had to put my sculpting skills to the test to get them to blend in with Mr. Harmms work!! You still cant compare the styrene of dragon's figures with well sculpted and cast resin. But it is a nice kit and I really enjoy the diversity of dragon's figure sets.
It looks like I'll have to lay on the charm to get the ok for those vallejos then!!
dropshot
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Posted: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 - 06:34 AM UTC
Yeh ! tskross ,lay lotsa´charm on because since starting to use Vallejo for painting my figures I´ve never looked back. EASY for mixing,diluting,playing with the consistency & it´s as though it lasts forever from when you open the bottle (which is something I can´t say about any other paint,) I still have my doubts about the Vallejo "Model Air " airbrush paint though.
tskross
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Posted: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 - 03:35 AM UTC
allright the charm must have worked
Just ordered 6 colors from vallejo, enough to do the base coats at least, can't wait to get started on these guys..I'll keep you all posted!
allycat
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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2009 - 07:38 PM UTC
Ts,
they're looking good!
What colours have you ordered from Vallejo?
Tom
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Posted: Friday, March 06, 2009 - 07:59 PM UTC
They are coming along nicely. I am getting ready to start a set of these figs, which vallejo paints will you be useing on these ? milvehfan
tskross
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Posted: Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 07:17 AM UTC
Going from the box colors I ordered:
German Uniform 70.920
Stone Grey 70.884
Silver Grey 70.883
Yellow Green 70.881
Khaki 70.988
Dark Grey 70.994

Note that I'm painting the first figure exactly as on the box top the scond (from the left on the box) I am going to paint with the whitewashed helmet and white trousers (like the mg gunner on the box)

I just received them yesterday and just had a chance to start to apply them...very nice, they go on really well, I'm diluting them anywhere from 1:1 to 4:1 (water to paint) and putting them on in thin layers as recommended on the Vallejo website. I'm also intermixing just a little bit of some brighter colors (my iwata airbrush colors, which work nicely to pigment and dilute at the same time; yellow, orange and red mostly) in different amounts in each layer to give a little life to the colors. I used this technique on an alpine figure and was quite happy with how it came out.

I'll post some new pics as soon as I've made some progress
CHESTERNIMITZ
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Posted: Sunday, March 08, 2009 - 01:39 AM UTC
Beautiful figures. Have much detail, the painting now.
tskross
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Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 10:48 AM UTC
OK just a small update, I've been working mostly on the panther to go along with these guys and another figure for the alpine figure painting contest (due at the end of the month!!) but I did manage to get one of the guys' base colors down:





I have to say I'm not real happy with the way these dragon figures are painting up...probably because I'm working on an alpine figure at the same time!!! They just seem so soft and the finish of the acrylics comes off as glossier because of the smooth surface of the styrene.
I'm debating stripping it down and starting again, and maybe adding some texture through sanding. Also it took me a few coats just to get the base colors to a point that I liked and I think there may be too much paint build-up adding to the 'softness' of detail. I know its just the base coat but I'm of the opinion that each stage of the painting process builds of the last and as such should be able to stand on its own in a way, and I definitely do not feel that way about the current stage!

But I'll wait and see what you guys have to say (I know the pictures aren't the best, I was in a bit of a rush to take them, sorry!) Maybe you can convince me to keep moving forward!
Eaglewatch
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Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 01:22 PM UTC
Hey Tskross those figures are looking Friggin awesome can't wait to see them in the dio with the panther keep up the excelant work
milvehfan
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Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 02:08 PM UTC
I like em ! Coming along nicely. milvehfan
lespauljames
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Posted: Saturday, March 14, 2009 - 08:23 PM UTC
coming along nicely, vallejo creates a slight sheen sometmes when painting, bu do not worry, is not noticable, and the paints are the best in the biz
tskross
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Posted: Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 01:06 AM UTC
Its interesting, on the alpine figure I didn't have this problem at all (with the glossiness) It was easily controllable by the amount of dilution (the more water the less glossy) But the resin cast is much sharper and there is a tooth to the fabric parts of the figure, where with the dragon figures all the surfaces are the same.
Now I'm not knocking the dragon figures, for the price I think they are still a fantastic deal and excellent for doing simple conversions. Plus I do think it is unfair to compare them to what is arguably one of the best resin figure manufacturers in the business.
Really I'm just not quite satisfied with my ability to control the paint on the dragon figs. I also think that part of my problem was that my black basecoat was too thick (and got too smooth in some areas)

So I'm still debating whether or not I should strip them and start again...
alanmac
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Posted: Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 02:18 AM UTC
Hi

you could try mixing in a small amount of Tamiya X-21 Flat Base with your mixes. Don't put too much in or the paint will dry with a white residue, a bit like a damp or mould mark you see on walls sometimes.

I think that some wargamers use a matt varnish seal coat over their finished figures to flatten the sheen and to help with handling. I'd advise to do this before you apply any pigments for weathering, if you are going to, as any coating over pigments tends to kill the variations in tone leaving it a bit flat.

I'm currently messing about with painting figures both with and without flat base added. I found sometimes I'd just forget to add it so thought it might be better to try without. I think Vallejo paint does have a tendency to "sheen" anyway which is fine for flesh areas but a bit annoying if you want a flat coat for uniforms, cloth etc.

Alan
CHESTERNIMITZ
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Posted: Sunday, March 15, 2009 - 10:49 PM UTC
Very interesting. The figure is primed?
tskross
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Posted: Monday, March 16, 2009 - 01:49 AM UTC
yes it is primed...
Or I should say it was primed right now it is sitting in a bath of windex!! I just couldn't leave it alone!
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