Hey guys! I've got a build in my head that possibly involves a lend-lease Sherman. Does anyone know which types and how many Shermans the Soviets recieved?

Not sure if this is the correct forum to post this in.

thanks for all your help!

The Soviets recieved M4A2s only as lend lease both the early and late hull 75mm gun tanks and the M4A2/76.

thenumbers involved were:
M4A2 75mm Sherman - 1750
M4A2 76mm Sherman - 1850

lots of good info to be found in this thread
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=106139

T-49 tracks were common and look cool! I'm doing a M4A2/76 with a muzzle protector ring, solid dish and spoked roadwheels mixed, T-49 tracks - I'll post a pic of the kits I'm using later if it will help you. HTH, Greg

junkie pic but basically I'm going with the Hobby Boss Sherman (1/48). I had started it, but then I switched into German modeling mode for awhile. They do 1/35 too I think. Lots of nice parts in these kits. HTH

Hi
You can also take a look at Oliver Messing's website. You'll find some information, drawings and pics there :
http://www.o5m6.de/ForeignArmour.html

HTH
Frenchy

Hey Justin,
Here's a few sites that will be of help:

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/weapons/LL_general1.htm

http://www.battlefield.ru/content/view/157/78/lang,ru/ - How's your Russian ?

Here's the relevant stuff that Frenchy pointed out:

http://www.o5m6.de/Numbers.html

http://www.o5m6.de/m4a2_75mm_early.html

http://www.o5m6.de/m4a2_75mm_late.html

http://www.o5m6.de/m4a2_76mm.html

And here's some stuff on Shermans captured from the Soviets, by the Germans, on the Eastern Front:

http://beute.narod.ru/Beutepanzer/us/M4_sherman/su/soviet.htm

I'm assuming this has to do with what we discussed via PM re: the 88mm campaign ??
FYI - Don't use the Academy Soviet M4A2 76mm kit # 13010 unless it has the corrected rear hull.
Dragon's various M4A2's would be a better choice, the Academy kit's rear plate was molded too steep when it came out.
Academy' corrected the hull for their USMC M4A2 kit #13203 but I don't know if they did so for their Red Army Sherman.
The correct rear hull angle for the M4A2 should be set back at about 79 or 80 degrees rather than vertical at 90 degrees.
Cheers

jjumbo

Thanks for the info guys! After looking at the links that you guys have so nicely provided, I picked up what Tamiya calls an M4A3, but it looks much more like the late style M4A2 than the A3. I am willing to bet that this isnt the perfect kit seeing how its Tamiya but from looking at the supplied images, the chassis is almost identical to the A2, not the A3.

Yes, john this has to do with the 88mm campaign. I am about to let the cat out of the bag in the campaign forum. I was thinking about keeping it a complete secret until I was done, but I figure i'll make it a build log.

The M4A3 has a different hull to the A2. It has different sized Engine access doors, a different rear to the hull and a completely different exhaust system. The Tamiya kit has a number of flaws such as hollow backed Wheels and Idlers, open sponson, incorrect welds, incorrect suspension for a soviet example. The kit you need is an M4A2 (Sherman III). The soviets used all the models that DMl kit and the best of the bunch for a soviet example would probably be the kit labelled Sherman III which is a mid production A2 with Brit fittings (just leave these off). The M4A2 76 USSR is not bad but has a few funnies.
Al

Hey Justin,
Welcome back from the annual ROK exercises !!!
Like Al says, the Tamiya kit is old and not terribly accurate compared to recent releases.
The main difference between the M4A2 and M4A3, other than the engines, is in the grates on the engine deck, the lower hull exhaust system and rear hull plate configuration.
The suspension is the late VVSS and would only have been seen on a very late production M4A2.
It would take a lot of hacking and cutting to modify the Tamiya kit into a diesel powered M4A2.
If time and your present assignment location weren't an issue, I would barter with you for a resin hull conversion I have sitting in my stash.
Like I said earlier in the thread, the various Dragon M4A2 kits would be your 1st choice or even the two Academy kits if you aren't too worried about accuracy.
Or you could use the Tamiya kit as one captured on the Western Front
Cheers

jjumbo

Al, thanks for clearing that up for me. Although Tamiya's kit is an inaccurate M4A3 (this goes without saying for most Tamiya kits) it will work for what I've got planned (see 88mm Campaign forum). I am just going to have to change the backstory a bit as John mentioned and shift it to the Western Front. I am not sure of how many American Shermans were captured by the Germans and re-used, but this is a "what-if" tank, so now unfortunately i have to add one more "what-if."

John, thanks for the welcome back. I tell you I never want to hear another aircraft takeoff at full afterburner again! I also experienced three out of four seasons out there, first it was cool, then got freezing cold and snowed, then the last couple days were in the 60s. What the heck!?
Korea is crazy. Thanks for the consideration on the resin hull. I've never worked with it before so I wouldn't have been real eager to have you send it over here and mess it up anyway.

If you want to keep up with what my plans are for this sherman, just check out the 88mm campaign forums.

Justin, the Beutepanzer site in John's post also has photos of US tanks in German hands, including late hull M4A3s, so no problems there.

David

Woot! Sounds like I've got myself a backstory! Now to begin the fun!