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Cold War era Czech or Russian T-72 camo
atomsmasher2112
Joined: July 09, 2009
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Posted: Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 04:26 PM UTC
I'm almost done building the Tamiya T-72M1 and have built it to be a Russian or Czech variant. I don't want to paint another tank in a solid color and am unsure about pictures I've found so far. Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Jacques
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Posted: Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 05:04 PM UTC
The Tamiya kit OOB is only for a NVA (East German) vehicle. They were only ever used in the NVA, they were retired shortly after German reunification, and they were solid green.
Anything else would not be prototypical. BUT...that would also let you have some of your own fun....like the more modern 3 tone cammo currently being used by the Russian Army.
Anything else would not be prototypical. BUT...that would also let you have some of your own fun....like the more modern 3 tone cammo currently being used by the Russian Army.
VolkerS
Joined: June 18, 2007
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Posted: Sunday, August 16, 2009 - 09:06 PM UTC
Hi,
Jacques 's right on the former NVA spec of the Tamiya kit. But exactly those, esp. in their final stages could be paint in cammo! It consists of green, grey and black areas. A drawing of this could be found in Osprey's book on T-72 by S.Zaloga.
If my memory doesnt fail even one of them (painted in this way) found it's way to the US!
V
Jacques 's right on the former NVA spec of the Tamiya kit. But exactly those, esp. in their final stages could be paint in cammo! It consists of green, grey and black areas. A drawing of this could be found in Osprey's book on T-72 by S.Zaloga.
If my memory doesnt fail even one of them (painted in this way) found it's way to the US!
V
skyhawk
Joined: June 03, 2003
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2009 - 05:38 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The Tamiya kit OOB is only for a NVA (East German) vehicle.
so...if he was to get rid of the frontal armor (using one of the several conversions out there), what are his options for a Czech vehicle? I ask because that is exactly what I have sitting in a box (armorless front, CMK detail set, late style wheels)..just never started on it yet
thanks!
andy
arpikaszabo
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2009 - 06:43 AM UTC
Andy, its not a lot, but the Czech t72s have only early wheels, including the t72m4cz.. Anyway, its possible to get rid of the add-on armor without using an aftermarket set. I managed to do it.
And for the member who started the thread, during wargames tanks were painted with whitewash or with water-soluble paints. I saw pictures (modern Czech army, not cold war) painted with two differents shades of green, black and brown. These vehicles are usually very dirty and this paint degrades quickly.
And for the member who started the thread, during wargames tanks were painted with whitewash or with water-soluble paints. I saw pictures (modern Czech army, not cold war) painted with two differents shades of green, black and brown. These vehicles are usually very dirty and this paint degrades quickly.
atomsmasher2112
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2009 - 08:23 AM UTC
You said something about add-on armor? I don't know what you mean. On the turret or what?
I've built it OOB, by the way. I don't care too much about accuracy with this one, I just want it to look like a T-72 serving in Cold War era Czech or Russian forces and do not want another solid colored (especially green) tank.
I might do a whitewash (since I've had better luck with lighter finishes) if only I could find a picture to go by
Thanks for all the help thus far.
I've built it OOB, by the way. I don't care too much about accuracy with this one, I just want it to look like a T-72 serving in Cold War era Czech or Russian forces and do not want another solid colored (especially green) tank.
I might do a whitewash (since I've had better luck with lighter finishes) if only I could find a picture to go by
Thanks for all the help thus far.
krasnov
Joined: April 02, 2008
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2009 - 01:38 PM UTC
Hi
If you use the verlinden conversion you can do one of Czech origin on green, black and gray that is now on private hands I will search the picture on my files if you want.
regards
Raul
If you use the verlinden conversion you can do one of Czech origin on green, black and gray that is now on private hands I will search the picture on my files if you want.
regards
Raul
Jacques
Joined: March 04, 2003
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Posted: Monday, August 17, 2009 - 05:55 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi,
Jacques 's right on the former NVA spec of the Tamiya kit. But exactly those, esp. in their final stages could be paint in cammo! It consists of green, grey and black areas. A drawing of this could be found in Osprey's book on T-72 by S.Zaloga.
If my memory doesnt fail even one of them (painted in this way) found it's way to the US!
V
I did not know this. Any idea on how soon before decomisioning they were painted in this cammo? What few photos I have seen of these scarce E. German beauties IN SERVICE only show them in mono-green. That cammo sounds a lot like a certain Soviet/Russian cammo scheme.
skyhawk
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 01:07 AM UTC
Quoted Text
You said something about add-on armor? I don't know what you mean. On the turret or what?
If you look closely at the front glacis plate, you will see the additional armor plate. Its most noticeable around the drivers vision port as it makes the port look like its recessed (when its flush with the actual hull). Im not a T-72 expert (just havent studied them yet), so I dont know exactly what countries received the hulls with addtional armor off the top of my head. I know that they are an export version.
Now if you dont mind doing a Finnish vehicle, they have some really neat cammo. You will just have to find the addtional stowage bin (or if your not concerned, just build the kit!).
VolkerS
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 03:24 AM UTC
Hi Jacques,
according to the regulation "K052/3/016", from 1987 several vehicles were painted in a 3 tone cammo, consisting of "dämmergrau" and "schwarzgrau" over the usual "olivgrün" from 01.04.88 on. The huge bulk of vehicles were left in green until re-unification, but some could be found, wearing the new cammo (maybe those overhauled at Neuhardenberg?). It was definitly different from the actual russian cammo (more black!). It looked a little like
http://www.thetankmaster.com/ENGLISH/afv/t-72_01.asp
or
http://www.thetankmaster.com/ENGLISH/afv/t-72_001.asp
HTH
V
according to the regulation "K052/3/016", from 1987 several vehicles were painted in a 3 tone cammo, consisting of "dämmergrau" and "schwarzgrau" over the usual "olivgrün" from 01.04.88 on. The huge bulk of vehicles were left in green until re-unification, but some could be found, wearing the new cammo (maybe those overhauled at Neuhardenberg?). It was definitly different from the actual russian cammo (more black!). It looked a little like
http://www.thetankmaster.com/ENGLISH/afv/t-72_01.asp
or
http://www.thetankmaster.com/ENGLISH/afv/t-72_001.asp
HTH
V
Jacques
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 11:59 AM UTC
Ok, I got it Volker. I guess I should go into ultra-anal bolt-counter mode and ask: Do you have any evidence of the NVA T-72M1 that the Tamiya kit represents (21 tanks actually produced) wearing this cammo scheme in service? How's that for anal?!
Still, nice to see something different as far as cammo goes.
Still, nice to see something different as far as cammo goes.
atomsmasher2112
Joined: July 09, 2009
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 03:56 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi Jacques,
according to the regulation "K052/3/016", from 1987 several vehicles were painted in a 3 tone cammo, consisting of "dämmergrau" and "schwarzgrau" over the usual "olivgrün" from 01.04.88 on. The huge bulk of vehicles were left in green until re-unification, but some could be found, wearing the new cammo (maybe those overhauled at Neuhardenberg?). It was definitly different from the actual russian cammo (more black!). It looked a little like
http://www.thetankmaster.com/ENGLISH/afv/t-72_01.asp
or
http://www.thetankmaster.com/ENGLISH/afv/t-72_001.asp
HTH
V
This is very interesting. I may do one like this in the future. Do the verlinden turret and hull sets depict this version, or one similar? And where can I get some of those side armor panel things.
Those pictures and suggestions are appreciated, but alas, I have built the Tamiya kit OOB (and with the smoke grenade launchers). I'm not even sure if the kit includes East German decals.
The camouflage pattern I'm looking for would be for the kit OOB and serving with Czech or Russian forces. Tropical, Winter, whatever. I'll take any and all suggestions.
VolkerS
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Posted: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 08:44 PM UTC
Hi Jacques,
unfortunatly not as crisp as the other ones, but still visible:
(pic from unknown source and only for discussion purpose)
HTH!?
unfortunatly not as crisp as the other ones, but still visible:
(pic from unknown source and only for discussion purpose)
HTH!?
zapper
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Posted: Wednesday, September 23, 2009 - 09:23 AM UTC
Just had to dig up this one.
I'm a bit curious of your opinions. Is this a "plain" T-72M1 or one of the 21 DDR vehicles that Tamiya based their model on?
/E
I'm a bit curious of your opinions. Is this a "plain" T-72M1 or one of the 21 DDR vehicles that Tamiya based their model on?
/E
Jacques
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Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2009 - 03:30 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Just had to dig up this one.
I'm a bit curious of your opinions. Is this a "plain" T-72M1 or one of the 21 DDR vehicles that Tamiya based their model on?
/E
My best guess is not, but I do not have the kits in front of me to compare to.
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