I guess the title says it all: any AFV that has been in service, but never in war.
(I know, the choices are a bit limited. Let's say UN peacekeeping missions are permitted.) I'm not sure about prototypes -but I'd say, no. There are plenty of campaign about prototypes and paperpanzers.
Anyone interested?
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spongya
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 07:30 AM UTC
mmeier
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 08:02 AM UTC
Might be a short list. And even shorter due to lack of models or at least injection-molded models:
Luchs 8x8 (IIRC SFOR/IFOR only)
Early Model German Leopard I. Technically German 1A5 are in Afghanistan with Canada. Only A4s available, A3s with aftermarket kit
Early Model German Leopard II (IIRC only an A4 is available)
Early Model Marder IFV (IIRC only the 1A3 and 1A5 saw war service)
Gepard SPAG
KaJaPa und Jaguar tankhunters
German Roland AAA (NIM)
All "Argentine Marders" like TAM etc (NIM)
HS-30 (NIM)
Spz "Kurz" Hotchkis (NIM)
M60A2 (NIM)
German M48A2 (NIM)
What else?
(NIM = No Injection-Molded Model)
Don't get me wrong, I am quite interested, even more so if I can add another exotic. But with eight models availabel it might get a bit short on models.
Luchs 8x8 (IIRC SFOR/IFOR only)
Early Model German Leopard I. Technically German 1A5 are in Afghanistan with Canada. Only A4s available, A3s with aftermarket kit
Early Model German Leopard II (IIRC only an A4 is available)
Early Model Marder IFV (IIRC only the 1A3 and 1A5 saw war service)
Gepard SPAG
KaJaPa und Jaguar tankhunters
German Roland AAA (NIM)
All "Argentine Marders" like TAM etc (NIM)
HS-30 (NIM)
Spz "Kurz" Hotchkis (NIM)
M60A2 (NIM)
German M48A2 (NIM)
What else?
(NIM = No Injection-Molded Model)
Don't get me wrong, I am quite interested, even more so if I can add another exotic. But with eight models availabel it might get a bit short on models.
mikeo
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 08:18 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Might be a short list. And even shorter due to lack of models or at least injection-molded models:
Luchs 8x8 (IIRC SFOR/IFOR only)
Early Model German Leopard I. Technically German 1A5 are in Afghanistan with Canada. Only A4s available, A3s with aftermarket kit
Early Model German Leopard II (IIRC only an A4 is available)
Early Model Marder IFV (IIRC only the 1A3 and 1A5 saw war service)
Gepard SPAG
KaJaPa und Jaguar tankhunters
German Roland AAA (NIM)
All "Argentine Marders" like TAM etc (NIM)
HS-30 (NIM)
Spz "Kurz" Hotchkis (NIM)
M60A2 (NIM)
German M48A2 (NIM)
What else?
(NIM = No Injection-Molded Model)
Don't get me wrong, I am quite interested, even more so if I can add another exotic. But with eight models availabel it might get a bit short on models.
Tamiya made the M60a2
WHat about the M103 US Heavy tank? (NIM though)
CMOT
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 08:18 AM UTC
I believe most Japanese AFV post WW2 would fall under the right heading.
Splinty2001
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 10:28 AM UTC
M60A2's made it to Viet Nam, IIRC.
RKinsella
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 11:07 AM UTC
I think this is a really good idea!
However would you consider expanding the range of vehicles that could be used by allowing models built of AFV's that were used by a lessor publicised nation in say a "UN mission" for example but the vehicle throughout its service with THAT nation and/or THAT "mission" never fired in anger
..I know this sounds a bit funny but it might be interesting, what ya think??
However would you consider expanding the range of vehicles that could be used by allowing models built of AFV's that were used by a lessor publicised nation in say a "UN mission" for example but the vehicle throughout its service with THAT nation and/or THAT "mission" never fired in anger
..I know this sounds a bit funny but it might be interesting, what ya think??
pigsty
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 09:26 PM UTC
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I believe most Japanese AFV post WW2 would fall under the right heading.
Also Swedish, Korean and Swiss (no kits for Swiss armour, though, despite my occasional plea for a Pz.61/68).
And the Conqueror (but resin only, like the M103).
panzerkampfw
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 05:24 PM UTC
British Chieftain?
Maybe they saw action in the Middle East wars ?
Maybe they saw action in the Middle East wars ?
GaryKato
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 08:58 PM UTC
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British Chieftain?
Maybe they saw action in the Middle East wars ?
I'm trying to remember if the Saudis were equipped with Chieftains during the first Gulf War.
So, although the M41 fired its gun in conflict, would an M41 in JGSDF markings count?
I can imagine ribbons for this one. Either a tank with a cork stuck in the barrel or a flower sticking out of it.
Or maybe a tank with cobwebs between the barrel and the hull.
pigsty
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 - 09:31 PM UTC
Quoted Text
British Chieftain?
Maybe they saw action in the Middle East wars ?
Jordan may have used its Chieftains operationally; Iran definitely used them in the original Gulf War.
barkingdigger
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Posted: Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 04:07 AM UTC
If it doesn't start til Christmas I'd love to sign up! There'll be lots of scratch-building on this one...
Tom
Tom
Dangeroo
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Posted: Thursday, October 08, 2009 - 07:36 PM UTC
Quoted Text
[Also Swedish, Korean and Swiss (no kits for Swiss armour, though, despite my occasional plea for a Pz.61/68).
Ah, this would require some swiss participation...
As I'm booked out 'til next summer (at least) I guess I'll have to skip this one. I would include only vehicles that were never used in any conflict by any country but open it up to specific versions of certain vehicles (for example the danish update of the M41 or the Swiss IFV-version of the M113. Maybe it should be open for Aeroscale as well?The Pz 61/68 sadly isn't available in any form, but there is a company in switzerland with a resin version on the drawing board I believe (talked to the guy at a model show last year).
Cheerio!
Dangeroo
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Posted: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 07:51 PM UTC
Just a few more thoughts (and to bump it up some...). How about tanks that were only used for training, like the British Covenanter or the M3A1 Lee? Russian T-44? Australian Sentinel Tank?
Cheerio!
Cheerio!
ppawlak1
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Posted: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 - 08:53 PM UTC
A STRV-122 would be nice to do, it'd fall into this category I think.
If it does I think I'm in.
Cheers
Paul
If it does I think I'm in.
Cheers
Paul
pergamos
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Posted: Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 04:55 AM UTC
hi all
the kuwati cheiftans were nabbed by iraq especialy since they used captured iranian cheiftans. i would say we could allways do UN vehicals by country of origin. then you could for instance have British Ferrets Saladin and Saracen's
cheers noel 
the kuwati cheiftans were nabbed by iraq especialy since they used captured iranian cheiftans. i would say we could allways do UN vehicals by country of origin. then you could for instance have British Ferrets Saladin and Saracen's
cheers noel 
mecanix
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Posted: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 12:08 AM UTC
I would like to have a go at this, got a couple of ideas that might bring down "stock" levels.
regards
Paddy
regards
Paddy
GeraldOwens
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Posted: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 06:38 AM UTC
Quoted Text
M60A2's made it to Viet Nam, IIRC.
Nope, M48A3 Pattons and M551 Sheridans were the only US tanks were deployed to Vietnam (plus some M728 Combat Engineer Vehicles and a small number of M48A2 Pattons which were sent as replacements after Tet, 1968). ARVN operated older US types, notably the M41 series, and the South Vietnamese Air Force inherited some M24 Chaffees as base security vehicles.
The M60A2 turrets were manufactured in the 1960's but significant technical problems prevented their entering service until the 1970's, when they were finally mounted on modified M60A1 chassis and deployed to West Germany. The introduction of better ammunition for the M68 105 mm gun and laser rangefinders made the 152mm gun/launcher of the M60A2 unnecessary, and the tank was phased out quite soon after in favor of the M60A3.
The Tamiya kit has a lot of errors to correct if you want an authentic M60A2.
spongya
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Posted: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 - 07:02 AM UTC
Nice to see the idea taken up I guess it's challenging to find an AVF, because you can't just take a Sherman or a Tiger off the shelves...
(The idea came when I saw a flower-power T-34 painted pink years ago. The ribbon idea is great -if it takes off, I'd like to use it, if possible.)
I guess it's challenging to find an AVF, because you can't just take a Sherman or a Tiger off the shelves...(The idea came when I saw a flower-power T-34 painted pink years ago. The ribbon idea is great -if it takes off, I'd like to use it, if possible.)
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