Any on have or kow of good info fof this tank in .rar or pdf?
thanks

You'll probably find some help on another forum like the Modern Armor one...The PzH 2000 is German.

Frenchy

Likewise, it is not a tank. It is a self propelled howitzer.

For your help:
For howitzers the barrel lenght is about or less than 15 - 25 times the bore. Thus a 100 mm(4 inc) howitzer has about 1500mm - 2500 barrel lenght maximum.
A howitzer is a type of artillery piece characterized by a relatively short barrel and the use of comparatively small propellant charges to propel projectiles at relatively high trajectories, with a steep angle of descent.
In the above example the 100mm bore piece for being called a gun it would mean it needs at least 2500mm barrel lenght. So, a gun has a barrel lenght of more than 25times the bore.

Thanks all my bad
JIm

Well I disagree. The PzH2000 - Armored Howitzer 2000 - has a barell of 52 caliber length. And the "Emma", the M109 uses barell length between 23 and 39 calibers. Both are 155mm howitzers.

The main difference between canon and howitzer is the trajectory. Canons fire a flat trajectory and howitzers a high trajectory. Basically if a target hides behind a wall the canon will have to fire at the wall and hope to punch through while the howitzer can lob the shell over the wall.

Some early howitzers i.e Napoleonic War pieces and some WWI units had very short barrels. Today they would be more likely put into the mortar category of weapons.

A howitzer needs a carriage that allows the barrel to be elevated 45 degrees and more above the horizon. Many canons (i.e the german WWII PAK-40 or the WWI French 75mm) can not do that while a 7.5cm light Infanry gun/18 can

As you see!
There a quite some definitions about the names 'gun' and 'howitser'.
Both of us seem to have right. Since the very beginning of artillery guns there has been a floating defenition about howitser, mortar and gun.
The (more) flat trajectory of a gun shows most clearly up at tanks ( yes: some people do call self propelled guns tanks as well !). However, within the European Western artillery branch the relation is more ( not always) related to bore and barrel lenght.
For more info: just spend some time on the web and you will be able to read about it for days!

Sorry but there is NO relation to bore and barrel length in determin howitzer from gun. NATO has both a 105mm canon (Enfield L7) and 105mm howitzers (M101, M102) in service. Same caliber but totally different uses and in case of the M102 a 32 caliber barrel.

Sometimes (rarely) MORTARS are qualified as such based on their short barrel. This is done with the super-heavy systems greater than 120mm that use a normal gunmount instead of the classic "baseplate and monopod" layout of most mortars. But even that is rare

Hi guys,

Keep it nice please... You guys are both right. Wikipedia has some nice information about guns and howitzers and concludes as follows:

Since World War II most of the artillery pieces adopted by land armies for attacking targets on land have combined the traditional characteristics of guns and howitzers—high muzzle velocity, long barrels, long range, multiple charges and maximum elevation angles greater than 45 degrees. The term "gun-howitzer" is sometimes used for these (e.g., in Russia); many nations use "howitzer" while the UK (and most members of The Commonwealth of Nations) calls them "guns", see, for example Gun, 105mm, Field, L118.

So as time progressed, the difference between guns/canons and howitzers became less distinct.

Greetings,

Max

Hi, guys, Thanks!

Have a look at this one:

http://www.defensie.nl/landmacht/materieel/voertuigen/pantserhouwitsers/pzh2000

Maybe usefull

Just a friendly warning to keep it civil...I have a background as a Artillery FO and I can also say that the definitions are fluid at best. I know engineers who get the descriptions mixed up from time to time, and they work and design these weapon systems.

I would hate to delete this thread since it does have good info.

Hi Jacques, Thanks for the fire support! :-)
Though I did not care too much about the way my information was discussed. Indeed the definitions of bore, barrel length, mortar, gun, tank, howitser show up every now and then. and always there seems to be a wide range of definition. I always start smiling if I hear people discuss these matters and the certainty they defend their opinion. It shows that modellers do have great passion.