I suppose that this isn't a build log ... at least it didn't start that way.
About 10 year's back my mate Eric Sujeki from Victorian Hobby Centre in Melbourne sold me this Leopard 1 ARV at a bargain price because at the time I was the features editor of Australian Defender and he was a great admirer of my Aussie Leopard pictures.
Eric threw in the Aussie tropical engine filter deck and screen, and the Leopard ARV sat in its box throughout the last decade and four house moves.
I've completed plenty of builds in that time but the Aussie Leopard has never been high on my list because they were a peacetime tank, whereas Aussie Cents, Matildas and Stuarts provide a wealth of "in action" modelling inspiration.
Back to the ARV ... I had looked at the kit a few times over the years, and what had always made me baulk was the fact it was a full resin kit (I would have preferred a conversion of an injection moulded Leopard 1) and the upper and lower hull just didn't match up (big resin castings are always fraught with frustration).
I decided to deal with both of the big gripes by combining the resin hull with an Italeri one, which would not only give me a better basis to work with but the injection moulded running gear would be much easier to assemble and I could also replace the cast resin tools with the kit items (the Italeri Leopard 1 was obviously the basis of the kit, so all the bits are interchangeable):
There was still a bit of filling and sanding needed, particularly around the sponsons, which needed to be trimmed to compensate for the thicker walls of the resin upper hull, and there was a wicked blemish on front lower hull section:
Then there were some gaps to be filled up front:
I had looked at using the Italeri plate, but the ARV is completely different to the gun tank (ya know, I've seen ARVs plenty of times and never took a close look at the rear plate ... I'll need to dig out some old photos). I also chiselled down the cast resin engine screen frame so the replacement would sit flush, and while the fan box would not be seen, I used it to hold the tropical filter plate firmly in place:
The front squared away:
Rear plate ready for fitting - mods were needed to the Italeri hull:
The basic building block together - some minor filling will be needed along with some Mr Surfacer, but all of the big challenges are out of the way:
The dozer blade is very well done, and went together with no problems:
So there you have it ... the project originally started out as "let's bite the bullet and sort out this hull", but now that's done, I don't think it's going to be too much of a stretch to get together, particularly since I have modded the hull to accept Italeri wheel and I will be using the Italeri tools.
The instructions are very basic and written in German, so I think it's a case of fitting the obvious bits and nutting out where the bits which are left over are supposed to go.
Instructions for the boom are particulary vague, so I think I'll ponder that challenge and start to fit some suspension bits ...
As I said, the biggest challenges are now dealt with, so it's just a case of getting all the smaller bits in place ... I'm sure I'll be inspired when the beast is sitting on wheels.
I also have a couple of sets of very nice individual link track which have languished alongside this kit, and with its open suspension, it's the perfect candidate to receive a set.
Anyone with any Leopard AS1 reference pics or tips, please feel free to chime in!
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Heatseeker64
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Posted: Sunday, December 05, 2010 - 08:55 PM UTC
ptruhe
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Posted: Monday, December 06, 2010 - 06:36 AM UTC
Nice work. The Elite resin suspension has always looked a bit too fragile for me. I had the Biber kit but sold it on. Still have the Jaguar kit and contemplating gettting a spare Jagdpanzer Kanone kit to replace the resin lower hull.
I could be wrong but I think the ARV is in the Battlegroup Leopard book.
Paul
I could be wrong but I think the ARV is in the Battlegroup Leopard book.
Paul
Heatseeker64
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Posted: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 10:08 AM UTC
Looking over this kit, some of the dimensions seem a bit off, so I won't get out the micrometer and am resigned to only building a "representative" Aussie Bergepanzer.
Another consideration in that these vehicle were in service with Aussie for 30+ years, and while the ones that landed were standard German types, RAEME Wrecky Mechs are notorious for busting out the grinders to remove fitting, and welding on new ones that better suit their mission.
First bump in the road was the rear plate - it sat proud, and the starbiard lights were set inwards because the 2A2 has some sort of fitting on the starboard rear.
I stripped it and sanded it flar, which wasn't such a big deal as I had an Italeri plate to scavenge from the kits I purloined the hull tub and suspension from:
As you can see, I've all ready fitted some draw bars and other fittings ...
The suspension went on just likethe standard Italeri kits ... I am glad I went this route because the resin bits would have needed a bit of clean up and each station needed the hole enlarged with a dremel ... I reckon I would have broke some bits.
Now the "building block is square away, it's just a case of working through the plethora of resin bits, figuring out where they go, and which bits I repkace with a heap of Italeri spares I have:
With the crane stowed, it really shouldn't be much more of a challenge and the biggest hurdle was squaring away the hull.
Will post an update soonest!
Another consideration in that these vehicle were in service with Aussie for 30+ years, and while the ones that landed were standard German types, RAEME Wrecky Mechs are notorious for busting out the grinders to remove fitting, and welding on new ones that better suit their mission.
First bump in the road was the rear plate - it sat proud, and the starbiard lights were set inwards because the 2A2 has some sort of fitting on the starboard rear.
I stripped it and sanded it flar, which wasn't such a big deal as I had an Italeri plate to scavenge from the kits I purloined the hull tub and suspension from:
As you can see, I've all ready fitted some draw bars and other fittings ...
The suspension went on just likethe standard Italeri kits ... I am glad I went this route because the resin bits would have needed a bit of clean up and each station needed the hole enlarged with a dremel ... I reckon I would have broke some bits.
Now the "building block is square away, it's just a case of working through the plethora of resin bits, figuring out where they go, and which bits I repkace with a heap of Italeri spares I have:
With the crane stowed, it really shouldn't be much more of a challenge and the biggest hurdle was squaring away the hull.
Will post an update soonest!
LeoCmdr
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Posted: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 03:20 PM UTC
Well done Mick.....very nice work on your ARV. Great build blog...keep it up!
vonHengest
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Posted: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 - 03:41 PM UTC
Very cool, love recovery vehicles and nice work so far.
retiredyank
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Posted: Thursday, December 09, 2010 - 12:17 PM UTC
Be glad you have one. I have been trying to source this kit since I first saw this thread. Nowhere to be found.
LeoCmdr
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Posted: Thursday, December 09, 2010 - 02:55 PM UTC
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Be glad you have one. I have been trying to source this kit since I first saw this thread. Nowhere to be found.
Why don't you just buy it from Trackjam in Canada?
http://www.trackjam.com/Elite/elitelist.htm
or directly from Elite in Germany?
http://www.elitemodell.de/shop/article_3510/Bergepanzer-2-A2.html?shop_param=cid%3D8%26aid%3D3510%26
retiredyank
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Posted: Thursday, December 09, 2010 - 10:37 PM UTC
This is going off topic. And it would be a while before I drop $150 on one without shipping.
Heatseeker64
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Posted: Friday, December 10, 2010 - 04:05 PM UTC
Damn, I think paid $75 Aussie for the kit, but that was 10 year's back!
As I said before, they could have saved themselves some grief by making a conversion rather than knocking off the Italeri suspension and tools.
It'll be a fun build nonethesless!
As I said before, they could have saved themselves some grief by making a conversion rather than knocking off the Italeri suspension and tools.
It'll be a fun build nonethesless!
AKirchhoff
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Posted: Saturday, December 11, 2010 - 08:54 AM UTC
Hi!
Nice build so far, I also have done some of these before the much better kit of PSM entered the shelves. Be aware, the dozer blade is way too large. There is a mistake with these parts (Blade construction and struts) in the kit, someone used the dimensions of the Leopard AEV (Pionierpanzer) with the larger blade and mixed it with the layout/design of the smaller ARV blade. So be aware of this when going on building!
Andreas
Nice build so far, I also have done some of these before the much better kit of PSM entered the shelves. Be aware, the dozer blade is way too large. There is a mistake with these parts (Blade construction and struts) in the kit, someone used the dimensions of the Leopard AEV (Pionierpanzer) with the larger blade and mixed it with the layout/design of the smaller ARV blade. So be aware of this when going on building!
Andreas
Heatseeker64
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Posted: Saturday, December 11, 2010 - 03:39 PM UTC
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Hi!
Nice build so far, I also have done some of these before the much better kit of PSM entered the shelves. Be aware, the dozer blade is way too large. There is a mistake with these parts (Blade construction and struts) in the kit, someone used the dimensions of the Leopard AEV (Pionierpanzer) with the larger blade and mixed it with the layout/design of the smaller ARV blade. So be aware of this when going on building!
Andreas
Ya know, I was looking at that blade and was thinking it looked too big!
Can it be modified, or will I just have to live with it?
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Posted: Saturday, December 11, 2010 - 10:12 PM UTC
Hi!
No, this canīt be fixed. The parts are useless. I scatchbuilt one and offered it for free to Elite to change it for the wrong kit part. But they were not interested. So, I gave it to a friend who added it to the PSM Leopard1 ARV master. You can either live with it, or, in case if you will order at PSM in the future, ask if they are willing to send a blade assemply of Leopard1 ARV (4 Parts) as a side order. Another option is to use the parts as a design help and scratch build. Or you would buy the mouse-House Leopard1 Dozer and take the blade of the kit. This one has the correct design and dimensions, only the layout of the rear (which is hidden when blade up at the vehicle) is different. You then will have to rebuild the struts which are different to the ones in the dozer kit.
So, its up to you. But, in my opinion, you should not live with it-we are not just talking about 1mm, the difference is quite obvious!
Andreas
No, this canīt be fixed. The parts are useless. I scatchbuilt one and offered it for free to Elite to change it for the wrong kit part. But they were not interested. So, I gave it to a friend who added it to the PSM Leopard1 ARV master. You can either live with it, or, in case if you will order at PSM in the future, ask if they are willing to send a blade assemply of Leopard1 ARV (4 Parts) as a side order. Another option is to use the parts as a design help and scratch build. Or you would buy the mouse-House Leopard1 Dozer and take the blade of the kit. This one has the correct design and dimensions, only the layout of the rear (which is hidden when blade up at the vehicle) is different. You then will have to rebuild the struts which are different to the ones in the dozer kit.
So, its up to you. But, in my opinion, you should not live with it-we are not just talking about 1mm, the difference is quite obvious!
Andreas
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Posted: Saturday, December 11, 2010 - 10:47 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi!
No, this canīt be fixed. The parts are useless. I scatchbuilt one and offered it for free to Elite to change it for the wrong kit part. But they were not interested. So, I gave it to a friend who added it to the PSM Leopard1 ARV master. You can either live with it, or, in case if you will order at PSM in the future, ask if they are willing to send a blade assemply of Leopard1 ARV (4 Parts) as a side order. Another option is to use the parts as a design help and scratch build. Or you would buy the mouse-House Leopard1 Dozer and take the blade of the kit. This one has the correct design and dimensions, only the layout of the rear (which is hidden when blade up at the vehicle) is different. You then will have to rebuild the struts which are different to the ones in the dozer kit.
So, its up to you. But, in my opinion, you should not live with it-we are not just talking about 1mm, the difference is quite obvious!
Andreas
Yep, sort of figured that was the case!
I have some contacts in Mousehouse, s I'll ask there ... when I fitted that blade I thought "whoa that's a whpper!"
Anyone want an oversized Leopard ARV blade?