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Grizzly
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Posted: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 11:40 AM UTC
Have a panther kit that I am considering painting up as a captured vehicle in Russian service. I have found a few B/W photos of such vehicles, unfortunately am having trouble figuring out what color they may be, can anyone tell me if they would have repainted captured vehicles in the overall Russian green? TIA
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 12:07 PM UTC
I don't know if the tank repainting was a rule. I've seen some color profile and most of the tank depicted were repainted in 4bo green. Anyway, in my opinion it should be better follw right reference pics
http://www.wio.ru/tank/capt/capt.htm
http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/lofi/Panther-A-catturati-dai-Sovietici/D8195170.html
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/galleries/axiscaptured/axiscaptured_tanks_img.htm
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/galleries/axiscaptured/axiscaptured_tanks_photo.htm#Sotnikov
http://ost-front.ru/en/2010/04/24/pzkpfw-v-panther/
the auction of this pic sais:
Captured Panther being inspected by Soviet soldiers and officers.
Soviet soldiers painted the name TIGER on the front armor plate and first three letters TIG (in Russian) are visible. In 1943/44, to the ordinary Soviet troops all German Panzers were known as "Tigers" and all assault guns as "Ferdinands", while all German soldiers as "Fritz" or "Gans".
Photo and information provided by Dmitry Pyatakhin.
cheers
http://www.wio.ru/tank/capt/capt.htm
http://freeforumzone.leonardo.it/lofi/Panther-A-catturati-dai-Sovietici/D8195170.html
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/galleries/axiscaptured/axiscaptured_tanks_img.htm
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/rkkaww2/galleries/axiscaptured/axiscaptured_tanks_photo.htm#Sotnikov
http://ost-front.ru/en/2010/04/24/pzkpfw-v-panther/
the auction of this pic sais:
Captured Panther being inspected by Soviet soldiers and officers.
Soviet soldiers painted the name TIGER on the front armor plate and first three letters TIG (in Russian) are visible. In 1943/44, to the ordinary Soviet troops all German Panzers were known as "Tigers" and all assault guns as "Ferdinands", while all German soldiers as "Fritz" or "Gans".
Photo and information provided by Dmitry Pyatakhin.
cheers
Grizzly
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Posted: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 03:56 PM UTC
Sweet !! thank you for all that info Mauro, especially like the one color plate on the bottom with the number 518 on the turret side, wonder why they painted white stars instead of the traditional red ones?, and ideas what color 518 maybe?
GeraldOwens
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Posted: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 10:40 PM UTC
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Sweet !! thank you for all that info Mauro, especially like the one color plate on the bottom with the number 518 on the turret side, wonder why they painted white stars instead of the traditional red ones?, and ideas what color 518 maybe?
That unit was the subject of a build article in Military Modelling Magazine a couple of years back. The author's interpretation was that the turrets had been repainted in 4BO Protective Green with white unit markings, and the hulls had been left in German cammo (the color values were screwed up when the magazine went to the printer, though--the author says he painted the turret green, but the photo editor apparently thought it was supposed to be gray, so gray it became, the curse of Photoshop).
As for the white insignia, Soviet troops rarely used red stars during the war, perhaps because it compromised camouflage too much, or perhaps because they didn't usually have any red paint. When dark, (possibly red) markings are seen on Soviet AFV's, it's usually on white winter finishes. The precise color is impossible to know, of course, since the photos are all black and white.
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Thursday, February 03, 2011 - 01:15 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextSweet !! thank you for all that info Mauro, especially like the one color plate on the bottom with the number 518 on the turret side, wonder why they painted white stars instead of the traditional red ones?, and ideas what color 518 maybe?
That unit was the subject of a build article in Military Modelling Magazine a couple of years back. The author's interpretation was that the turrets had been repainted in 4BO Protective Green with white unit markings, and the hulls had been left in German cammo (the color values were screwed up when the magazine went to the printer, though--the author says he painted the turret green, but the photo editor apparently thought it was supposed to be gray, so gray it became, the curse of Photoshop).
As for the white insignia, Soviet troops rarely used red stars during the war, perhaps because it compromised camouflage too much, or perhaps because they didn't usually have any red paint. When dark, (possibly red) markings are seen on Soviet AFV's, it's usually on white winter finishes. The precise color is impossible to know, of course, since the photos are all black and white.
I agree with Gerald. Rarely on the operative russian tanks were painted red stars.They often weren't at all or they were painted in white.
As Gerald said is almost impossible to know what was the precise color on the Panther turrets, but in my opinion at 99,9% was white. Russian camo were rather simple and "rusty", not as complex as the german ones so they were few colors in stock. White was very common because, as you know, russian during winter, used to paint our vehicles in "washable white". Looking at the pic you can notice that the stars and codes on the turrets have been painted crudely (so without using a stencils or any sorts of "jig"), so pobably the code painting has been done "on field", not in a factory. If the russians have marked those tanks on field, is most probable that they used a paint very common and very easy to find....so most likely was a white paint..
Just my two cents
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Grizzly
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Posted: Thursday, February 03, 2011 - 02:54 AM UTC
I see, okay thanks for all the info guys, very much appreciated.