Hi guys, just thought I'd post some pics of a dio that I have been building on and off for the last few months. I placed the things out to get a rough idea of how they will look. Plenty of work to do on the groundwork and weathering and loads of bits and equipment to add. Comments welcome.
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brandydoguk
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Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 08:25 PM UTC
sweatydogz
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Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 09:39 PM UTC
coming on really nicely,
what materials/process did you use for the ground work, it looks very impressive already.
I love the diffent tones
Its going to be a winner when finished
what materials/process did you use for the ground work, it looks very impressive already.
I love the diffent tones
Its going to be a winner when finished
brandydoguk
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Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 - 09:57 PM UTC
Hi sweatydogz. The base is an old picture frame. I glued on scraps of MDF for slight contours and covered it with wall filler and sprinkled on sand and small stones. It was painted and then static grass was applied with white glue. Then it was simple dry brushing with earth and grass shades. All the paints used on base and figures and equipment is cheap art store acrylics [my painting skills are poor, not worth spending extra on good quality paints ].
vlady
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 12:00 AM UTC
hey il looks ........ great. seriosly. i have done a great paint job with the figures. wonderfull. but i think u shoul add something near the canon because it looks ind of emply to me.
slodder
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 12:09 AM UTC
I like it. It's nicly done.
I like the road and the spottiness of the grass at the road edge.
One thought I had about it is that I wonder if the map table would be positioned in a potential line of fire as it is now. I might suggest moving it back and to the other side of the 88.
I would also go back and add extra grass around the base of the figures feet to make the stand In the grass not on Top of the grass. It doesn't look bad as is, a bit of grass would help add a level of detail.
I like the road and the spottiness of the grass at the road edge.
One thought I had about it is that I wonder if the map table would be positioned in a potential line of fire as it is now. I might suggest moving it back and to the other side of the 88.
I would also go back and add extra grass around the base of the figures feet to make the stand In the grass not on Top of the grass. It doesn't look bad as is, a bit of grass would help add a level of detail.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 12:21 AM UTC
Really nice! I have 3 88s, two built and one still in the box. Am always looking for diorama ideas. The figures are great. Who made them? The casual poses are very nice. Sort of adds to the whole "break time" feel. The gate or section of fence looks a little out of place. If it is a fence, why does it just end there with no corner? Just a (very) little nit pick.
Good job,
Shaun
Good job,
Shaun
brandydoguk
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 01:39 AM UTC
Thanks for the kind words guys.
Vlady you are right. I am going to put some sandbags round the front of the gun, it does look sort of empty.
Slodder the figures are not yet glued down, I just placed them to see how they would look. I have a lot more work to do to add vegetation to the groundwork, but I will certainly make sure they are set into the grass and not floating on top. You are right about the position of the map table [thanks] I will place it diferently.
Keenan there is going to be a fence joined onto the gate, I was unsure whether it should be wood or wire, I will have to look at some photos from the time period. The figures are mainly Tamiya and others are built up from a collection of bits that were in my spares box.
Vlady you are right. I am going to put some sandbags round the front of the gun, it does look sort of empty.
Slodder the figures are not yet glued down, I just placed them to see how they would look. I have a lot more work to do to add vegetation to the groundwork, but I will certainly make sure they are set into the grass and not floating on top. You are right about the position of the map table [thanks] I will place it diferently.
Keenan there is going to be a fence joined onto the gate, I was unsure whether it should be wood or wire, I will have to look at some photos from the time period. The figures are mainly Tamiya and others are built up from a collection of bits that were in my spares box.
Venom
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 - 09:29 AM UTC
A nice dio, i like it, you did a very nice work
Like vlady sayed put something near the gun, but more interesting of sandbags
what do you think about a little armoured car ,a motorbike or a destroyed vehicles?
regards
Like vlady sayed put something near the gun, but more interesting of sandbags
what do you think about a little armoured car ,a motorbike or a destroyed vehicles?
regards
brandydoguk
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 01:38 AM UTC
Venom, your post set me to thinking and when I checked thruogh my "bits and pieces" box I actually found a part assembled German motorbike that I can use. Many thanks for the idea.
Martin
Martin
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 01:49 AM UTC
so..good work
regards
regards
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 02:20 AM UTC
Hi Brandy
Your dio looks great! The figures and the groundwork are very nice. If you think the scene is a little empty, why not put in some slit trenches? That gun crew would need a place to hide if Jabos or artillery fire came their way. Maybe its too late or the groundwork isn't thick enough to put them in, just a thought.
Your dio looks great! The figures and the groundwork are very nice. If you think the scene is a little empty, why not put in some slit trenches? That gun crew would need a place to hide if Jabos or artillery fire came their way. Maybe its too late or the groundwork isn't thick enough to put them in, just a thought.
brandydoguk
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 03:48 AM UTC
Bison44, I'm afraid the groundwork isn't deep enough for slit trenches, it's a shame because it would have been ideal, thanks for the sugestion though, I will certainly keep it in mind when I come to do a similar project in future. Where the gate is I was going to run a fence across, but reading a post about "bushes for beginners" I am now thinking about having a hedgerow. It will certainly balance the dio a bit better. I am also scratch building a scarecrow to put on the ground the other side to suggest a ploughed field.
vlady
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 04:07 AM UTC
may i sugest something? u could do a comounflage for the 88 and also u could put a halftrack and some figures taking ammo boxes out of it. what do u say?
brandydoguk
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 04:43 AM UTC
Vlady, I would like to include a vehicle with suplies but I'm afraid my budget won't allow it as yet. Camouflage for the 88 is a good thought. Does anybody know if camo netting in 1/35 scale is available, or a method of scratch building some? That would really look much better than the gun being out in the open as it is now.
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 04:58 AM UTC
well, there was somebody who asked some time ago. i will look for it and if i'll find it i will post the url for u
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 05:31 AM UTC
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Does anybody know if camo netting in 1/35 scale is available, or a method of scratch building some? That would really look much better than the gun being out in the open as it is now.
There are some commercial camo nets available. Verlinden has some as do other. However, you can do it yourself. Two products come to mind: cheescloth or simple 2 by 2 medical pads. These are an open weave cotton product, folded over several times. Any drug store or large department store will have these in the first aid section.
Open one up and dip it in thinned acrylic paint. When dry, drape it over the gun as you see fit.
brandydoguk
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 06:46 AM UTC
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There are some commercial camo nets available. Verlinden has some as do other. However, you can do it yourself. Two products come to mind: cheescloth or simple 2 by 2 medical pads. These are an open weave cotton product, folded over several times. Any drug store or large department store will have these in the first aid section.
Open one up and dip it in thinned acrylic paint. When dry, drape it over the gun as you see fit.
Thanks AJ, I will look for some this weekend when I go get some modeling supplies, if there are none available in the model store I will try the medical pads.
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if i'll find it i will post the url for u
Thanks Vlady, that will be a big help.
Can I thank all of you who have made sugestions, I have taken them all on board and will post pics some time in the future showing how I've used them.
Martin
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 07:27 AM UTC
here u are sir. hope it helps.
[url=https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/13497&page=1
can u see both the url? if not i will post them again
[url=https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/13497&page=1
can u see both the url? if not i will post them again
Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 09:30 AM UTC
Really nice dio ...... coming along nicely. I like the idea of the relaxed situation and the field kitchen. The figures suit the situation.
This is just a suggestion... -As everything is mobile ... the gun and field kitchen, I would re-consider this. A natural cover might suit bettter ... a ditch or wall or ruins!... Even hidden in heavy foilage. It seems more likely that they have just set up and are quite relaxed. If they were gonna fill sand bags, they would probably dig-in a bit as well!
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I am going to put some sandbags round the front of the gun
This is just a suggestion... -As everything is mobile ... the gun and field kitchen, I would re-consider this. A natural cover might suit bettter ... a ditch or wall or ruins!... Even hidden in heavy foilage. It seems more likely that they have just set up and are quite relaxed. If they were gonna fill sand bags, they would probably dig-in a bit as well!
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 04:21 PM UTC
Everyone's advice here is very good. Ideally, you would probably want a smaller base for what you have to work with, but I suppose you are hampered somewhat by the size of the picture frame. The models and everything are done very well.
The only new suggestion I have is not something you can fix on this one, but it is important for next time. A diorama will look far more natural simply by eliminating parallel lines. It would probably be better if the roads in your scene were not parallel to the frame. Even skewing them ever so slightly would result in a more appealing effect.
Nic
The only new suggestion I have is not something you can fix on this one, but it is important for next time. A diorama will look far more natural simply by eliminating parallel lines. It would probably be better if the roads in your scene were not parallel to the frame. Even skewing them ever so slightly would result in a more appealing effect.
Nic
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2003 - 04:58 PM UTC
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here u are sir. hope it helps
Thanks Vlady
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A natural cover might suit bettter ... a ditch or wall or ruins!... Even hidden in heavy foilage. It seems more likely that they have just set up and are quite relaxed. If they were gonna fill sand bags, they would probably dig-in a bit as well
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A diorama will look far more natural simply by eliminating parallel lines. It would probably be better if the roads in your scene were not parallel to the frame. Even skewing them ever so slightly would result in a more appealing effect.
I think you have hit the nail on the head here guys. It looks like the figures, gun,etc are not a part of the landscape they are set on. I am going to look at redoing the groundwork, firstly to get rid of the paralel lines and secondly to give the gun and equipment a more natural "sit" ie dug in. I may be able to work in some slit trenches as was suggested by Bison44.
vlady
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2003 - 12:53 AM UTC
i don't think that a wall would look good in your diorama but u could add some trees and bushes.