Where was/is this T-62M used?
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Posted: Monday, September 12, 2011 - 06:21 AM UTC
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Interesting indeed Steve, thans a lot for sharing
It seems to me that actually there are two turrets in the monument. Other than the T-62 one, there's another one which could be a BTR-BMP-BDM turret
Cheers and many thanks again
Yes, there are two turrets, there were BRDM/BTR turrets all over the place in that city.
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Posted: Friday, September 09, 2011 - 06:37 AM UTC
very intresting post, and as usual some great ref from Erik, an Mauro!
Mauro, what is the tank/crane combo , on one of the pictures, does it have a name, or is it a field conversion of some sort
and on what chassis is it put T55,62,64,72?
very tempting stuff, guess the wallet is going to bleed , with all these nice kits commin' out!
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Posted: Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 10:08 PM UTC
Also have in mind, that T-62 both m62 and m72, in all variations, and with all the extra goodies were stationed in DDR.
The difference, is that they were painted only in Russian Green, in an very typical way (no different color patches and no significant ware), bearing the CA markings used by the Soviet forces in Europe.
No photo available yet, but I will post couple, when I get back home...
Many of you might find it "boring" with all that green, but It's interesting in a twisted way...
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Posted: Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 06:56 AM UTC
I am also doing the t-62 an this thread has got me thinking about doing another one an adding the legend update which looks amazing an would look even better on a tank transport like the soviet maz 537 that I seen in one of the photos. An that extra reference that people added help me also.
Happy modeling
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Posted: Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 06:47 AM UTC
Interesting indeed Steve, thans a lot for sharing
It seems to me that actually there are two turrets in the monument. Other than the T-62 one, there's another one which could be a BTR-BMP-BDM turret
Cheers and many thanks again
...well in my opinion T-55 isn' t just a tank. Actually it is THE TANK...
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Posted: Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 05:47 AM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 05:44 AM UTC
The Soviet's had a tank repair depot in the city of Charikar Afghanistan, not too far from Bagram. There is currently a T62 turret on a pedestal there as a monument that I have to assume was put there by the Soviets as the Afghan's sure wouldn't put it there... the remains of the barracks, 80's style basketball court, maintenance sheds etc. are still there. Pictures to follow.
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2011 - 03:58 PM UTC
At first glance the blue/yellow over dark green camo seems out of place. Once I saw where these were operating it makes perfect sense. The colors blend perfectly with the terrain if the mountains are behind.
This is a bit outside Kabul.
Stranger too, is that apart from the altitude above sea level, this is very similar to where I live now in Southern Nevada.
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Posted: Friday, July 29, 2011 - 11:53 AM UTC
Well Erik...
could happen
Joking aside i think you're right. There are a lot of things about tank modifications which is almost impossible to know. In my opinion we have to trust mostly in reference pics
cheers
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Posted: Friday, July 29, 2011 - 10:23 AM UTC
Not trying to split hairs here but I wouldn't call it a field mod as one have to swap the whole turret, althought I assume they should be interchangeable. Who knows when it happend. In a workshop in Afghanistan or back in Russia during some refurbishing program?
@Hisham: Don't forget to PM your email and I'll send you the pictures.
Can't remember ever noticing the 14,5 on that 55. Nice one!
Cheers,
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Posted: Friday, July 29, 2011 - 04:49 AM UTC
Well turrets and hull were interchangeable beetwen the different versions so probably during the wars they were also field modifictations This fact although is interesting adds confusion. I n my humble opinion the best way to depict a tank is, as much as is possible, depicting a specific exemplar . It was easier when I used to do aircraft
. They were a lot more standardized
Stunning references Erik. I'm going to add them to my endless bookmark list
Thanks a million
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I like the colors of the tank in the last two pics Erik posted... it gives me the feeling of a rough street fighter
Hisham those withe "s" were added before with spray cans. There are a lot of exemples of afghan tanks painted in a similar way. I remember that Bison decal produced a sheet with quite a lot of t-55 with those kind of field camo schemes.
It would be a great challenge reproduce that schemes in 35 scale
...well in my opinion T-55 isn' t just a tank. Actually it is THE TANK...
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Posted: Friday, July 29, 2011 - 04:48 AM UTC
Thank you, Erik... the more pics and info I get.. the better!!
Soviet armor does seem to be quite interesting.. and I'm getting more and more interested in it.
I like the colors of the tank in the last two pics Erik posted... it gives me the feeling of a rough street fighter
Hisham
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Posted: Friday, July 29, 2011 - 04:08 AM UTC
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Anyway, in my humble opinion most likely the majority of t-62-m have 1972 upgrades, especially those deployed in Chechinya and Ossetia
I'm sending you the PM Erik, thanks a million for the info
I agree that m1972 seem to be the most frequent version but there are quite a few m1967 running as well. The third picture from below (Ossetia) is imho an 1967 (round loaders hatch).
Just to mess things up a bit more. T-62's with m1972 turret and m1962 engine deck:
source:
http://thewanderingscot.com/archives/tag/afghanistan This I think is an T-62's with m1972 turret (with M upgrade) and m1962 engine deck:
From this webalbum:
http://news.webshots.com/photo/2609261620047363434PayJch Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Friday, July 29, 2011 - 03:21 AM UTC
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Actually Mauro answer this with an YES in the first picture. This vehicle have the m1962 engine deck. I have another pic as well that I can send if you PM me your email.
As usual it seem like not all vehicles got the same/all upgrades.
Some T-62 's just got the add on armour but lacks the laser range finder an other stuff, others just have the side skirts. Some with all other upgrades have the thermal sleeve on the barrel, some dosen't. The change to RMSH tracks was not a specific M upgrade as far as I know. This was done to all versions disregarding other updates.
Cheers,
/E
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Anyway, in my humble opinion most likely the majority of t-62-m have 1972 upgrades, especially those deployed in Chechinya and Ossetia
I'm sending you the PM Erik, thanks a million for the info
Hisham you're welcome , I'm glad to could help you
...well in my opinion T-55 isn' t just a tank. Actually it is THE TANK...
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 11:46 PM UTC
Mauro.. thanks a million for taking the time to explain things.. and for all these great links. I guess I'll have to get the 1972 kit for this.
Hisham
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 11:42 PM UTC
[quote]I have the Trumpeter 1962 T-62... could this kit be used with this conversion, or are there major differences between this kit and the 1972 model.. besides the Dushka on the turret?
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Actually Mauro answer this with an YES in the first picture. This vehicle have the m1962 engine deck. I have another pic as well that I can send if you PM me your email.
As usual it seem like not all vehicles got the same/all upgrades.
Some T-62 's just got the add on armour but lacks the laser range finder an other stuff, others just have the side skirts. Some with all other upgrades have the thermal sleeve on the barrel, some dosen't. The change to RMSH tracks was not a specific M upgrade as far as I know. This was done to all versions disregarding other updates.
Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 10:06 PM UTC
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I have the Trumpeter 1962 T-62... could this kit be used with this conversion, or are there major differences between this kit and the 1972 model.. besides the Dushka on the turret?
Hisham
As far as I know T-62 m variant was based on 1972 model, so it has a different engine deck and different track links (which are the same of T-72)
Furthermore t-62m lower hull had extra armours mounted on and a second shock absorber arm mounted near the third front wheel
Here you can find interesting pics of wrecked afghan t-62 (and not also...)
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/159924&ord=&page=1https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/159937Here a stunning tread about the trumpeter model converted in M variant using MIG production extra set
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/170825Here T-62 mod 1972 walkarounds
http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?np=1&p=1198http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1111http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=928http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1789http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1467some drawings
http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1762T-62 m walkarounds
http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1041http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=1031http://dishmodels.ru/wshow.htm?p=319cheers
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 09:09 PM UTC
I have the Trumpeter 1962 T-62... could this kit be used with this conversion, or are there major differences between this kit and the 1972 model.. besides the Dushka on the turret?
Hisham
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 07:24 PM UTC
Thanks for your responses, guys!
And, Mauro, thanks a lot for these great pics.. I was thinking of getting this conversion set but didn't know how to use it.. now I know how
Hisham
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 05:31 PM UTC
...well in my opinion T-55 isn' t just a tank. Actually it is THE TANK...
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 10:17 AM UTC
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Shoukran ya Jamal Basha... Hope things are calm over in Lebanon these days.
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tekram ya sidi, yeah everything is ok, the only problem is the weather
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 08:57 AM UTC
I believe the 62M was quite widely used in both Chechen wars and there may have even been some in deployed in Dagestan though I'm not sure about that.
Was there also not one or two with bar armor pictured in Georgia and South Ossetia in 2008?
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 08:11 AM UTC
Shoukran ya Jamal Basha... Hope things are calm over in Lebanon these days.
Hisham
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 06:41 AM UTC
Soviet Army, Afghan war 79-89
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Posted: Thursday, July 28, 2011 - 05:34 AM UTC
I mean by which countries and in which conflicts?
http://www.luckymodel.com/scale.aspx?item_no=LF1234 Hisham
