I came across a color plate for a Canadian M113 with dozer blade attachment while trying to decide what to do with the kit I have in my stash.
http://www.armouredacorn.com/Refs-%20Thumbprints%20&%20Images/CVM%20Index/M113%20Family.pdf
Interesting thing is, I lived in Schweinfurt from 85-87 the vry same time this vehicle was there. Don't really remember any conuck armor being there, but I was only 8 at the time.
Now my question is, are the interior layout on these 113's the same as the standard 113's or are there any special equipment installed? Also are there any other details that seperate Canadian from US versions? I'm pretty sure I will have to change out the tracks to the newer nato AIG tracks since some of the pictures I have show these being used. Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Canadian M113A1 Dozer
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Internally the only changes would have been based on the Engineers using the vehicle. It wouldn't have been used to carry Infantry so the crew would probably have modified it for their use. There would likely be no standardized interior layout.
The Canadian modifications to the M113A1 would have been the Deihl track, the front signal lights, and the wire cutter. In the colour plate you can also see the strips of velcro applied to the sides for the U.S. MILES gear.
The Canadian modifications to the M113A1 would have been the Deihl track, the front signal lights, and the wire cutter. In the colour plate you can also see the strips of velcro applied to the sides for the U.S. MILES gear.
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Posted: Friday, December 23, 2011 - 10:27 AM UTC
Thanks Jason for the help 
I came across photos of a 113 with dozer blade and auger installation. Would it be possible to use to the two big box on any version of the blade equiped one?
I'm slowly gathering up what I need and so far looks like an easy build.
I came across photos of a 113 with dozer blade and auger installation. Would it be possible to use to the two big box on any version of the blade equiped one?
I'm slowly gathering up what I need and so far looks like an easy build.
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The M113A2 SEV (Special Equipment Vehicle) is an Engineer vehicle but far more equipped than just a regular M113 dozer. It would take alot more scratchbuilding to create the SEV version.
http://www.primeportal.net/apc/john_oreilly/m113_sev_walk.htm
http://www.primeportal.net/apc/john_oreilly/m113_sev_walk.htm
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Interesting idea, but my question would be... why?
An auger is only good to pretty much bore holes in the ground. Other than cratering charges and fence posts, what would one do with that?
The blade does appear to be fully adjustable in order to create fighting positions, but its pretty darn small. Can anyone tell me some of the other capabilities of this vehicle?? As a heavy engineer equipment operator, it doesnt look incredibly functional.
An auger is only good to pretty much bore holes in the ground. Other than cratering charges and fence posts, what would one do with that?
The blade does appear to be fully adjustable in order to create fighting positions, but its pretty darn small. Can anyone tell me some of the other capabilities of this vehicle?? As a heavy engineer equipment operator, it doesnt look incredibly functional.
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INow my question is, are the interior layout on these 113's the same as the standard 113's or are there any special equipment installed? Also are there any other details that seperate Canadian from US versions? I'm pretty sure I will have to change out the tracks to the newer nato AIG tracks since some of the pictures I have show these being used. Any help would be greatly appreciated
When i was in 3 Horse our recce carriers were dozer tracks. there was no change to the inside compared to a regular infantry carrier. as they had external tanks the fuel cell inside was removed. Ours also had no wire cutters or grouser racks.
Ubique.
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The blade does appear to be fully adjustable in order to create fighting positions, but its pretty darn small. Can anyone tell me some of the other capabilities of this vehicle?? As a heavy engineer equipment operator, it doesnt look incredibly functional.
The dozer blade was only really used to clear a position for the CP M577. other than that it didn't get used much.
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Posted: Friday, December 23, 2011 - 01:18 PM UTC
@Jason. M113 dozer was not just an engineer vehicle.
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M-113 with blade...
M-113 Engineer...
cheers
M-113 Engineer...
cheers
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what in the heck is the 16 feet of auger there for ?? is that vehicle designed to flow with the 577 and put up some kind of extra large antenna??? I still dont get the auger LOL
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@Jason. M113 dozer was not just an engineer vehicle.
Yes, I know...but the M113A1 dozer in the Armoured Acorn PDF link is from 4 CER and that is what I was making reference to.
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what in the heck is the 16 feet of auger there for ?? is that vehicle designed to flow with the 577 and put up some kind of extra large antenna??? I still dont get the auger LOL
The M113A1/A2 SEV was only used by Combat Engineers....and it was not only used to clear positions for a CP....perhaps a plain old dozer M113 but not the SEV.
The M113 SEV had a multitude of on board hydraulic hose run tools such as hydraulically-driven chainsaws, impact wrenches, hammer and sinker drills, concrete breakers, cutoff wheels, grinders, and sump pumps (that is why there is a 15 metre hydraulic hose reel on top) in addition to the dozer blade and auger. The auger could be used for drilling holes for demolitions, setting obstacles in place, etc. It was a very good tool for the Combat Engineer "Pioneers".
The M113A2 SEVs were used very effectively in Bosnia and Croatia for mine and obstable clearance as well as building bunkers for troops. The SEV was also deployed to Haiti as part of the earthquake disaster assistance.
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Wow this thread really took of 
I'm planning on just building a plain 113 with dozer blade as the auger would be too much me to build at this time. I just used the one with an interior as an example of the interior layout since I have not been able to find any interior shots of plane dozers. I did find a TLAV with the blade equiped.
So basically it looks like I can go with either internal fuels tanks or outer, with troops seats or tool boxes insteads and would not be wrong with the build.
I'm planning on just building a plain 113 with dozer blade as the auger would be too much me to build at this time. I just used the one with an interior as an example of the interior layout since I have not been able to find any interior shots of plane dozers. I did find a TLAV with the blade equiped. So basically it looks like I can go with either internal fuels tanks or outer, with troops seats or tool boxes insteads and would not be wrong with the build.
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So basically it looks like I can go with either internal fuels tanks or outer, with troops seats or tool boxes insteads and would not be wrong with the build.
You are correct!
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Wow this thread really took of
So basically it looks like I can go with either internal fuels tanks or outer, with troops seats or tool boxes insteads and would not be wrong with the build.
The picture you posted is the MTVE- Mobile Tracked Vehicle Engineering ...note that it has six road wheels....a stretched TLAV. It has the same gear as the M113A2 SEV. It was this type of vehicle that was sent to Haiti.
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Posted: Saturday, December 24, 2011 - 06:55 AM UTC
You can build an M113 A1 with a dozer without the auger and hydraulic tool kit. This version would not have had the external fuel tanks and would have been in service with 4 CER until the mid to late 1980s. The prototype M113 Fd Engr SEV was built in 1985 and was trailed in Wainwright during EX RV85. The fleet upgrade took about 7 years to complete.
An M113 A1 dozer with 4CER would have had wooden stowage boxes in place of the seats and all variants of the dozer would have a hydraulic reservoir inside the vehicle on the front end of the right hand sponson. I will look in my files for some photos.
An M113 A1 dozer with 4CER would have had wooden stowage boxes in place of the seats and all variants of the dozer would have a hydraulic reservoir inside the vehicle on the front end of the right hand sponson. I will look in my files for some photos.
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Cool thanks Paul. I was planning on doing a straight dozer variant with internal fuel tanks and tools boxes inplace of troops seats. I'm interested in knowing what the reservoir looked like since it will be easy to see with all the hatches open.
I'm also planning to build an ARVL along side, but this will be button up. So no interior will be needed as I can get my hands on a cheap 113 from tamiya. Thanks everyone for your help so far and Merry Christmas
I'm also planning to build an ARVL along side, but this will be button up. So no interior will be needed as I can get my hands on a cheap 113 from tamiya. Thanks everyone for your help so far and Merry Christmas
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You can build an M113 A1 with a dozer without the auger and hydraulic tool kit. This version would not have had the external fuel tanks and would have been in service with 4 CER until the mid to late 1980s. The prototype M113 Fd Engr SEV was built in 1985 and was trailed in Wainwright during EX RV85. The fleet upgrade took about 7 years to complete.
An M113 A1 dozer with 4CER would have had wooden stowage boxes in place of the seats and all variants of the dozer would have a hydraulic reservoir inside the vehicle on the front end of the right hand sponson. I will look in my files for some photos.
Hey Paul, I have seen a couple of images of M113A2 dozers used with SFOR during the late 1990s....just a plain dozer with the external fuel tanks.
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what in the heck is the 16 feet of auger there for ?? is that vehicle designed to flow with the 577 and put up some kind of extra large antenna??? I still dont get the auger LOL
Winter time ice fishing..............
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I'd think 16 feet would be a tad 'short' in some locations.
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Posted: Saturday, December 24, 2011 - 02:15 PM UTC
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Quoted TextYou can build an M113 A1 with a dozer without the auger and hydraulic tool kit. This version would not have had the external fuel tanks and would have been in service with 4 CER until the mid to late 1980s. The prototype M113 Fd Engr SEV was built in 1985 and was trailed in Wainwright during EX RV85. The fleet upgrade took about 7 years to complete.
An M113 A1 dozer with 4CER would have had wooden stowage boxes in place of the seats and all variants of the dozer would have a hydraulic reservoir inside the vehicle on the front end of the right hand sponson. I will look in my files for some photos.
Interesting. I know there were a total of 77 conversions to the full SEV package for the CERs and Assault Pioneers. Another 12 were purchased in 1992. I wonder if there were still some in use by Sigs Sqns and Arty units. They would not have needed the tools and auger. But giving them the A2 upgrade would make sense. photos anyone?
Hey Paul, I have seen a couple of images of M113A2 dozers used with SFOR during the late 1990s....just a plain dozer with the external fuel tanks.
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Quoted TextQuoted TextYou can build an M113 A1 with a dozer without the auger and hydraulic tool kit. This version would not have had the external fuel tanks and would have been in service with 4 CER until the mid to late 1980s. The prototype M113 Fd Engr SEV was built in 1985 and was trailed in Wainwright during EX RV85. The fleet upgrade took about 7 years to complete.
An M113 A1 dozer with 4CER would have had wooden stowage boxes in place of the seats and all variants of the dozer would have a hydraulic reservoir inside the vehicle on the front end of the right hand sponson. I will look in my files for some photos.
Interesting. I know there were a total of 77 conversions to the full SEV package for the CERs and Assault Pioneers. Another 12 were purchased in 1992. I wonder if there were still some in use by Sigs Sqns and Arty units. They would not have needed the tools and auger. But giving them the A2 upgrade would make sense. photos anyone?
Hey Paul, I have seen a couple of images of M113A2 dozers used with SFOR during the late 1990s....just a plain dozer with the external fuel tanks.
Get in touch with JP...he's the man with the images of the M113A2 dozer I saw.
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Hope this helps. Note the ever present milk crate.
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Thanks Paul or the picture of the reservoir
By the way is that a hydraulic line running from the tank at the lower left corner into the engine firewall? It's hard to tell from the shadows. If so, would there be just one line or more?
Thanks for your help
Cheers
By the way is that a hydraulic line running from the tank at the lower left corner into the engine firewall? It's hard to tell from the shadows. If so, would there be just one line or more?
Thanks for your help
Cheers
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