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That's a legitimate question and here's what I think is an equally legitimate answer : time !... or rather the lack of time. I can devote very few hours a week to building (and painting) kits only.

Now anyone can choose to build it from the box and be happy with it as it still will look impressive enough, but close examination of the real thing makes it obvious it is either way too simplified or plain wrong in most areas.

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As it happens, I'm one of those sad modellers who like their models to look right and not just from a distance.

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Hmm sounds like your double talking to me...you state you have limited time, but yet you want a really accurate model that takes time to do so..even with a "perfect" kit

If that make you happy...all the more power to you.

but at the same time you don't need to slag off on a kit because it doesn't meet your self imposed standards...

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Great news, thanks for posting. Any clues as to the relase date ?

In terms of accuracy, Zvezda 's kit is a disaster, so
these sets will definitely be useful.
All we need now is a correct replacement hull

At least we should be grateful to Zvezda for one thing : they prompted Miniarm to revise and improve their own parts!

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I'm sorry Yann, but that's just funny. You don't know what a disaster in accuracy is. Zvezda's accuracy issues are modest, at worst.

In any event Yann, it's your hobby too I suppose, but in practice I've seldom seen modelers who obsess about accuracy in a kit actually finish one, let alone to the lofty standards they expect from the kit they start with.

And if you don't have the time, perhaps you might consider commissioning the work out? I'm available, I'll do it for a thousand euros excluding material costs.

Someone else spoke of « minor flaws » too. Well I hate to think what « major flaws » or « huge accuracy issues » would be in your books, then ???

So I don't know what a disaster in accuracy is ?... Well OK, that's a point of view.
But then again I wonder what to make of this 60+ page collection of corrections just for for this kit alone ?!!
http://panzer35.ru/forum/45-8059-1
(text is all Russian but the many pics speak for themselves)

You still think this is « funny » and that this kit has « MODEST accuracy issues » ???
Then I have to wonder why correcting some of those issues require having to cut off the d.... hull ?! Or why there are so MANY areas to correct ?!
Or again why the heck did Miniarm bother to produce a COMPLETE corrected turret for Zvezda's kit (not to mention all the other loose bits like wheels, gun barrel, ERA blocks etc) ?
Madmen no doubt...
Someone else spoke of « minor flaws » too. Well I hate to think what « major flaws » or « huge accuracy issues » would be in your books, then ???

I have that thread bookmarked and read through it (with a translator) and seriously...I know one of the complaints about the kit was the difference of having a 13mm vs 15mm bolt in 1/35 scale! Are you kidding me?

Yann- you have some interesting points in there, but dial down the attitude, we don't need nor want angry arguments or flame wars- the mods can shut the thread if things get too out of hand in these situations. I'm quite sure you are capable of putting your points across in a more civil manner.

It's the same old argument between the 'goodenuffs' and the 'rivet counters', each has their own view, no need to call them out on it. FWIW I have the kit and will probably build it OOB, but certainly can see where Yann's coming from.

Jim
Rivet Counter and proud of it!

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Great news, thanks for posting. Any clues as to the relase date ?

In terms of accuracy, Zvezda 's kit is a disaster, so
these sets will definitely be useful.
All we need now is a correct replacement hull

At least we should be grateful to Zvezda for one thing : they prompted Miniarm to revise and improve their own parts!

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I'm sorry Yann, but that's just funny. You don't know what a disaster in accuracy is. Zvezda's accuracy issues are modest, at worst.

In any event Yann, it's your hobby too I suppose, but in practice I've seldom seen modelers who obsess about accuracy in a kit actually finish one, let alone to the lofty standards they expect from the kit they start with.

And if you don't have the time, perhaps you might consider commissioning the work out? I'm available, I'll do it for a thousand euros excluding material costs.

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So I don't know what a disaster in accuracy is ?... Well OK, that's a point of view.
But then again I wonder what to make of this 60+ page collection of corrections just for for this kit alone ?!!
http://panzer35.ru/forum/45-8059-1
(text is all Russian but the many pics speak for themselves)

You still think this is « funny » and that this kit has « MODEST accuracy issues » ???
Then I have to wonder why correcting some of those issues require having to cut off the d.... hull ?! Or why there are so MANY areas to correct ?!
Or again why the heck did Miniarm bother to produce a COMPLETE corrected turret for Zvezda's kit (not to mention all the other loose bits like wheels, gun barrel, ERA blocks etc) ?
Madmen no doubt...
Someone else spoke of « minor flaws » too. Well I hate to think what « major flaws » or « huge accuracy issues » would be in your books, then ???


Your attitude, and that of some of other posters (is there a convention of bruised egos on Armorama these days?) is so typical : just because the kit looks impressive and has never been done in styrene mean that it must be praised and any form of critique or dissent, however harsh and valid, has to be fought and repressed. The thought police is at work again hey !

At this stage, it may be interesting to point out that critizing a kit has NOTHING to do with criticizing those who choose to build it from the box. Is this clear enough or subtext is needed ?
Yet reading some of the comments above, things get blurred and confused in some people's minds. Or do I detect a clinical case of paranoia in some of the posts above ?

Like it or not, I for one have no time for political correctness or herd mentality. A kit has to be judged on its OWN merit, not on the fact that it exists alone, and that it is plastic and not resin.

As for your offer, if your modelling skills are on par with your reasoning, I don't think I will take you up on it, even if that was for a mere10 €.
However, I'm just curious to know : have you ever been offered cash to keep quiet ?...
Then again, you know what they say, sometimes silence is golden.

PS : this thread was started by someone who kindly posted about upcoming AM sets for Zvezda's T-90 kit.
Therefore, isn't it a bit strange that those who are quite happy to build the kit from the box (and do not wish to purchase any of those sets) feel the urge of adding their two cents here ?
Are they masochists, or just happy to argue for the sake of it ?

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Someone else spoke of « minor flaws » too. Well I hate to think what « major flaws » or « huge accuracy issues » would be in your books, then ???

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You have major flaws when dimensions and shape are wrong and hard to correct. Maybe you've already done a Skif kit...well those are "disasters"

Regarding the Russian blog which you has posted, well I've seen it.
It seems that the main flaws are the lack of a ring at the base of the turret and the slightly wrong dimension of engine grills. I might be wrong but the other tweaks can be considered as improvments rather than corrections.

Anyway, as I told you before, I respect your point of view, but I don't agree

Cheers

PS I've never done a kit strictly OOB

Hmmm, lack of a turret ring? That could qualify as a bit of work, maybe an extra night. Good point Mauro

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Great news, thanks for posting. Any clues as to the relase date ?

In terms of accuracy, Zvezda 's kit is a disaster, so
these sets will definitely be useful.
All we need now is a correct replacement hull

At least we should be grateful to Zvezda for one thing : they prompted Miniarm to revise and improve their own parts!

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I'm sorry Yann, but that's just funny. You don't know what a disaster in accuracy is. Zvezda's accuracy issues are modest, at worst.

In any event Yann, it's your hobby too I suppose, but in practice I've seldom seen modelers who obsess about accuracy in a kit actually finish one, let alone to the lofty standards they expect from the kit they start with.

And if you don't have the time, perhaps you might consider commissioning the work out? I'm available, I'll do it for a thousand euros excluding material costs.

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So I don't know what a disaster in accuracy is ?... Well OK, that's a point of view.
But then again I wonder what to make of this 60+ page collection of corrections just for for this kit alone ?!!
http://panzer35.ru/forum/45-8059-1
(text is all Russian but the many pics speak for themselves)

You still think this is « funny » and that this kit has « MODEST accuracy issues » ???
Then I have to wonder why correcting some of those issues require having to cut off the d.... hull ?! Or why there are so MANY areas to correct ?!
Or again why the heck did Miniarm bother to produce a COMPLETE corrected turret for Zvezda's kit (not to mention all the other loose bits like wheels, gun barrel, ERA blocks etc) ?
Madmen no doubt...
Someone else spoke of « minor flaws » too. Well I hate to think what « major flaws » or « huge accuracy issues » would be in your books, then ???


Your attitude, and that of some of other posters (is there a convention of bruised egos on Armorama these days?) is so typical : just because the kit looks impressive and has never been done in styrene mean that it must be praised and any form of critique or dissent, however harsh and valid, has to be fought and repressed. The thought police is at work again hey !

At this stage, it may be interesting to point out that critizing a kit has NOTHING to do with criticizing those who choose to build it from the box. Is this clear enough or subtext is needed ?
Yet reading some of the comments above, things get blurred and confused in some people's minds. Or do I detect a clinical case of paranoia in some of the posts above ?

Like it or not, I for one have no time for political correctness or herd mentality. A kit has to be judged on its OWN merit, not on the fact that it exists alone, and that it is plastic and not resin.

As for your offer, if your modelling skills are on par with your reasoning, I don't think I will take you up on it, even if that was for a mere10 €.
However, I'm just curious to know : have you ever been offered cash to keep quiet ?...
Then again, you know what they say, sometimes silence is golden.

PS : this thread was started by someone who kindly posted about upcoming AM sets for Zvezda's T-90 kit.
Therefore, isn't it a bit strange that those who are quite happy to build the kit from the box (and do not wish to purchase any of those sets) feel the urge of adding their two cents here ?
Are they masochists, or just happy to argue for the sake of it ?

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Yann I believe your hobby is looking for faults and trying to prove to everyone that you're right, not building models, at least as far as I can see.
No one here is doubting that you're right, we'll give you that benefit but for the 99% who purchase this kit and actually get around to building it... Yann...they and I believe that the kit is good enough, that the modifications required to improve it are minimal, and that new turrets and hulls probably won't sell very well. I was in favour of the padded tracks, these are important. A good barrel would be welcome. And of course for those who require it, PE screens and perhaps a small PE sheet for other things those very few modelers might feel they require.
As for your accusation that we are hijacking this thread, the individuals interested in selling us merchandise were looking for feedback, and they have received it-- and they received a debate as to whether these products are even necessary. What more could they ask for? I'd add I was also the first to answer on this thread, not you, so you can be quiet. If anyone is a thread hijacker here, you are.

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Great news, thanks for posting. Any clues as to the relase date ?

In terms of accuracy, Zvezda 's kit is a disaster, so
these sets will definitely be useful.
All we need now is a correct replacement hull

At least we should be grateful to Zvezda for one thing : they prompted Miniarm to revise and improve their own parts!

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I'm sorry Yann, but that's just funny. You don't know what a disaster in accuracy is. Zvezda's accuracy issues are modest, at worst.

In any event Yann, it's your hobby too I suppose, but in practice I've seldom seen modelers who obsess about accuracy in a kit actually finish one, let alone to the lofty standards they expect from the kit they start with.

And if you don't have the time, perhaps you might consider commissioning the work out? I'm available, I'll do it for a thousand euros excluding material costs.

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So I don't know what a disaster in accuracy is ?... Well OK, that's a point of view.
But then again I wonder what to make of this 60+ page collection of corrections just for for this kit alone ?!!
http://panzer35.ru/forum/45-8059-1
(text is all Russian but the many pics speak for themselves)

You still think this is « funny » and that this kit has « MODEST accuracy issues » ???
Then I have to wonder why correcting some of those issues require having to cut off the d.... hull ?! Or why there are so MANY areas to correct ?!
Or again why the heck did Miniarm bother to produce a COMPLETE corrected turret for Zvezda's kit (not to mention all the other loose bits like wheels, gun barrel, ERA blocks etc) ?
Madmen no doubt...
Someone else spoke of « minor flaws » too. Well I hate to think what « major flaws » or « huge accuracy issues » would be in your books, then ???


Your attitude, and that of some of other posters (is there a convention of bruised egos on Armorama these days?) is so typical : just because the kit looks impressive and has never been done in styrene mean that it must be praised and any form of critique or dissent, however harsh and valid, has to be fought and repressed. The thought police is at work again hey !

At this stage, it may be interesting to point out that critizing a kit has NOTHING to do with criticizing those who choose to build it from the box. Is this clear enough or subtext is needed ?
Yet reading some of the comments above, things get blurred and confused in some people's minds. Or do I detect a clinical case of paranoia in some of the posts above ?

Like it or not, I for one have no time for political correctness or herd mentality. A kit has to be judged on its OWN merit, not on the fact that it exists alone, and that it is plastic and not resin.

As for your offer, if your modelling skills are on par with your reasoning, I don't think I will take you up on it, even if that was for a mere10 €.
However, I'm just curious to know : have you ever been offered cash to keep quiet ?...
Then again, you know what they say, sometimes silence is golden.

PS : this thread was started by someone who kindly posted about upcoming AM sets for Zvezda's T-90 kit.
Therefore, isn't it a bit strange that those who are quite happy to build the kit from the box (and do not wish to purchase any of those sets) feel the urge of adding their two cents here ?
Are they masochists, or just happy to argue for the sake of it ?

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Yann I believe your hobby is looking for faults and trying to prove to everyone that you're right, not building models, at least as far as I can see.
No one here is doubting that you're right, we'll give you that benefit but for the 99% who purchase this kit and actually get around to building it... Yann...they and I believe that the kit is good enough, that the modifications required to improve it are minimal, and that new turrets and hulls probably won't sell very well. I was in favour of the padded tracks, these are important. A good barrel would be welcome. And of course for those who require it, PE screens and perhaps a small PE sheet for other things those very few modelers might feel they require.
As for your accusation that we are hijacking this thread, the individuals interested in selling us merchandise were looking for feedback, and they have received it-- and they received a debate as to whether these products are even necessary. What more could they ask for? I'd add I was also the first to answer on this thread, not you, so you can be quiet. If anyone is a thread hijacker here, you are.

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Look, I'm not interested in a pissing contest.
This degenerated only when I had to cope with sarcastic remarks that weren't called for. English may be (very) distant second language to me, I don't like being laughed at and ridiculed particularly when it's coming from someone who has yet to prove he's done his homework on the subject.

OK, some people didn't like the word "disaster" ? Fine, just get over it. Or go back and check the photos in that Russian blog to see if you can see the forest for the trees...
Bottomline is that while you and others may think that this kit is great, I (and a few others) have every right to think otherwise.
If that bozo from "Merryland" believes that this Zvezda kit is next best thing since sliced bread, more power to him. Only now Zvezda won't have to worry about improving their next product. Why should they, almost eveyone out there loves the new kit! Who wins in the end, huh?
Well maybe Meng will...

I've been long enough in this hobby to know that such manufacturers like Dragon have come a looooong way and if it wasn't for the feedback, often very CRITICAL, and the subsequent assistance by dedicated modellers and/or researchers to improve their products, we might never have gotten great kits like the M1A1/A2 series, or their Tigers Panthers, StuGs etc... that are light years ahead of what Zvezda is currently coming out with.

I've had enough of this nonsense now as this discussion isn't getting anywhere.
I have a beer in one hand, a fag in the other and I shall be magnanimous and you or anyone else may have the last word on this.

I very confused as to why some members who state that they aren't too fussed about accuracy even bother to enter these discussions...?

If the issues of the Zvezda kit aren't an issue for you then move along. None of those individuals who have criticised us so called 'rivet counters' have offered anything in the way of constructive comments. So why not simply ignore this topic and let those who are concerned discuss it amongst themselves.

If the issues of the Zvezda kit aren't an issue for you then move along. None of those individuals who have criticised us so called 'rivet counters' have offered anything in the way of constructive comment