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Dragon Tiger I late with zimmerit
patton76
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 - 10:10 AM UTC
Hello guys,

My first Tiger. :-) painted and ready for wheatering.

What do you think? Is the build ok? Paintjob? First time I did a freehand camo like this.

All comments are welcome, it's the best way to learn.

Thanks for looking!

Dave



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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 - 10:38 AM UTC
Nice looking work, great paint, can't wait to see it completed and weathered.
patton76
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 - 11:13 AM UTC
Thanks Kevin,

I really suffered on the PE shackles, but I think I managed them ok. Only thing that I didn't succeed in adequately were the tiny locks on the back of the turret. Those were really hell for my big hands. :-)

The camo, I tried to follow the Dragon instructions, but in the end, I kind of invented my own scheme, based on pictures different pictures. So, it isn't exactly the scheme of 112, but I do think it represents a Tiger in Normandy.

Dave
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 - 11:30 AM UTC
I really enjoyed that kit when I did it.yours is coming along nicely,the camo looks good.I look forward to the weathering.

If you use the DS track, I had to remove two links ,otherwise they paint ,weather,and install nicely
patton76
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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 - 12:00 PM UTC

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If you use the DS track, I had to remove two links ,otherwise they paint ,weather,and install nicely



Yes, I also had to remove two links. I'm still painting the tracks and will weather them separately. Reason why there not yet added.

Thanks for your nice comments. :-) but feel free to give some remarks to, I like to learn from my mistakes. :-)

Dave
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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 02:28 AM UTC
Dave;

Nice Tiger and nice camo! Build looks nice and clean to me - I'll guess that it is pretty much OOTB from the Dragon 6406 kit (which I have - and is likely to be my one and only Tiger I build...!). From what I've seen on a couple of threads, including one a ways back doing a comparison build of several Tiger late kits, this is a great kit, and looks to me that you have done a nice job with it. This one will be SWEET when you get it a little dirty and weathered.

Couple of suggestions and ideas as you go forward on this cool beast:

Your pics do not clearly show whether you have done the track-contact faces of your road wheels (the gummi-gedampften stahlaufrollen - steel-wheels) in "bare steel" yet... IF not, I would suggest that these do want to be for that best look - and maybe better after weathering as the steel surfaces would get freshly - worn even on a dirty tank. (likewise, the matching track surfaces would likely have some "polished steel" showing.)

Many period pics show that the tow-cables on many German tanks were often wholly or partially "camo'd" - especially if the camo paint was applied in a field shop or by the crew. Maybe there's some neat "different options" there, for you. Fire-bottles came in many different colors, so you have options on this detail, and the bottles often had a distinct label or decal (TeTra, etc.). (As if a crew-member would have climbed up onto his burning tank, unclamped that bottle, and stopped to read the instructions before engaging the flames! )

Nice start and I look forward to seeing her done!

PS: Guess I'll be clipping a couple of links off my DS tracks, too - proviso I use those and not some swapped - in links!

Cheers! Bob
patton76
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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 06:08 AM UTC
Hello Bob,

Thanks for the suggestions.

I haven't touched the wheels yet, but will certainly threat them with steel as you suggested.

Concerning the tow cables, I prefer the current color variation, gives a bit more life to the beast. Same goes for the tools, you could do the camo or base color over them, but for a model, it get a bit dull then. :-)

Yep, you'll have the cut two links... One might do it, but I found it easier with two...

Cheers,

Dave
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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2012 - 05:39 PM UTC
Nice Tiger I and JS 2

Great parallel build combo.
patton76
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Posted: Friday, April 20, 2012 - 05:17 AM UTC
Thanks Greg!
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Posted: Sunday, April 22, 2012 - 12:59 PM UTC
Hey Dave,

Nice Tiger man! you been busy. Looking forward top more of this bad boy!!!

Gary
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Posted: Sunday, May 13, 2012 - 09:40 AM UTC
Wash done. I used AK wash for DAK.

Also added the tracks, these do need some more work and I'll fix the sag at the end of this project.


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patton76
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Posted: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 01:02 PM UTC
Hey guys,

Did some more work on the tiger. Mainly some chipping, and a few washes to the tracks.

What do you think? Chipping is ok? Not overdone? Should I add more? What about the tracks? Can I improve them even more?

Thanks for looking!

Dave



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Posted: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 - 01:31 PM UTC
Looks great Dave! You are a busy man. Im a one at a time builder. I dont even know how you juggle all that.

Gary
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Posted: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 09:47 AM UTC
Did some fading with oils tonight on the turret glacis.

I used white, burnt umber, yellow and blue.

What do you think?

Thanks for looking!

Dave


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Posted: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 10:07 AM UTC
Hi Dave,

Looks like you done a real nice job on her, I have a tiger 1 in the stash & hope it may turn out half as good.

Happy Modeling
Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 - 10:18 AM UTC
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the kind words. :-)

Of course, I doesn't have o be all positive ;-) I'm pretty sure some things could really be better, so all advice, critiques, etc are welcome.

Dave
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Posted: Thursday, May 31, 2012 - 09:38 PM UTC
Looks good Dave. Thumbs up from me.

- Steve
patton76
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Posted: Friday, June 01, 2012 - 10:27 AM UTC
Thanks Steve!

But feel free to pinpoint any remarks. :-)

Dave
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Posted: Friday, June 01, 2012 - 02:52 PM UTC

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Thanks Steve!

But feel free to pinpoint any remarks. :-)

Dave



Dave, your Tiger looks fantastic, no question! You want some constructive advice or critique, well this is all i can say.
I have noticed you do the same chipping effects over the same general areas of the 3 tanks your doing. Looks like the sponge type chipping? Just change it up a bit, maybe use a fine tip paint brush to create some different types of chips. Im not saying it looks bad, on the contrary, it looks good but that, as of now, is the only thing i see that might be helpfull as you got skills man, no doubt!!! Just think of a late war Tiger may not be as worn and scuffed as a sun baked war battered Matilda or a T 34/85 that the russians have driven through every german house and wall without a care. Just my opinion brother Dave! When all is said and done, you do what you do best and it will always be a damn fine result man!!!

Gary
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Posted: Saturday, June 02, 2012 - 11:40 AM UTC
Hey Gary,

You're right, I used the sponge method for chipping. On all 3 afv's. I haven't yet mastered the skills, to do chips with a brush. ;-) actually, I haven't mastered the sponge either.

I'm always a bit confused and reluctant on chips, I can hardly believe that a tank in WWII would chip so much, while it lasts... Even tanks you see now who are just standing here in wind and rain hardly chip... On the contrary, it does looks nice and gives an extra dimension on the model.

I do think that you should do chipping early in the beginning, even before files and all. Because, by the time you're done a lot of chips will have disappeared or faded a lot, which makes they are not too dominant on the tank, but that's only my humble opinion.

Anyway, you're totally right of course, next up will be some lat war allied armor, on which I'll go very easy on the chipping and wheatering in general.

Dave

Ps if you would ever would be looking for reference photos of any tank in Normandy, the Ardennes, Market Garden region, museum or royal military museum in Brussels, I'll most certainly will be able to provide them. :-) I have 1000 of photos of all tanks - and especially Normandy and the Ardennes - in an area of let's say 500 km around my hometown in belgium.
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Posted: Sunday, June 03, 2012 - 10:55 AM UTC
Hi guys,

I did som emore work on the Tiger today.

I would like to call it finished, but I feel that there's still something wrong or missing... What do you think?

I'm really happy with how the back and the front turned out, but I'm less happy with the hull glacis and the sides... But maybe I'm getting to critical. :-)

Looking forward to your opinion!

Thanks for looking!

Dave


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BBD468
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Posted: Sunday, June 03, 2012 - 11:23 AM UTC
Hi Dave,

The Tiger is looking really good. I will point to the tracks, IMO you should have more of the dusty earth tones that you have on the rest of the tank. They resemble too closely the unused spare tracks. More colors like you have on the rear and rear fenders. The contact points of the track, cleets if you will, look great. Thats all i see at this point Dave. The tools, Jack block, oil stains and the like look really nice. Well done Dave!

Gary
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Posted: Sunday, June 03, 2012 - 11:41 AM UTC
Hey Gary,

Thanks for the comments as always. :-)

You're definitely right about the tracks, when I saw the pictures I knew that this wasn't god, but easy to fix. :-)

I feel I kind of over dusted the back glacis of the hull, and the contrast with the turret seems to big... Some parts, like you say, the tools, the front, back, oil stains, etc look really great, but to me it feels like its not all the same tank, if you get what I mean... Anyway, still more work I'm afraid.

Funny actually, when you look at my join date, I should be a very experienced modeler. :-) this year I'm gonna be a member here for 10 years!!!! Djeezes. Time really flies. :-)

Dave


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Hi Dave,

The Tiger is looking really good. I will point to the tracks, IMO you should have more of the dusty earth tones that you have on the rest of the tank. They resemble too closely the unused spare tracks. More colors like you have on the rear and rear fenders. The contact points of the track, cleets if you will, look great. Thats all i see at this point Dave. The tools, Jack block, oil stains and the like look really nice. Well done Dave!

Gary

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Posted: Sunday, June 03, 2012 - 11:58 AM UTC
You know Dave, thats the first time i looked at your join date when i read your post just now. Oh how i wish i was a modeler back then. I was still being a knuckle head, being rowdy and not acting my age. But i finally wised up and when i started modeling 5 years ago i havent stopped yet.
I love it man!

Gary
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Posted: Wednesday, June 06, 2012 - 09:10 AM UTC

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You know Dave, thats the first time i looked at your join date when i read your post just now. Oh how i wish i was a modeler back then. I was still being a knuckle head, being rowdy and not acting my age. But i finally wised up and when i started modeling 5 years ago i havent stopped yet.
I love it man!

Gary



Hey Gary,

Well, I've been modelling on and of in that period. There been years that I didn't touch a modelbut it's something that always stuck with me. I'm very impatient and modelling forces me to be patient.

I have no idea what knuckle heads do, but I'm glad you wised up.

Anyway, did some more work on the tiger, and now I'm gonna call it finished! I think.

The figure is an old one, I just put in the turret for fun.

What do you think guys? Finished, or some more details to straight out?

Thanks for looking!

Dave



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