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Unusual T-34/85 camo scheme
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 04:44 AM UTC
HI all
I've been (re)-building for a month now a Zvezda T-34/85 flattened turret, plant 183. While I was looking for references, I found here...

http://fotki.yandex.ru/users/grinnols/album/153452/?p=6

...this very interesting picture:



As you can see, that's a quite unusual 3 tones camo scheme which I'd never seen before

According to the guys who have commented the pic, that would be a post war T-34 belonging to the Polish Army.
I'd like to know what's your opinion about.
Since I have in my stash also a Maquette T-34/85 Mod. 1946, it would be great try to reproduce this exemplar.

So guys, what do you think about?

Many thanks in advance for any kind replies

Cheers
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 05:46 AM UTC
Interesting find Mauro, very well could be a polish version. You can bearly see some sort of marking on the front turret red and white, can't make it out. But also there appears to be what looks like a yellow or white 72 painted on the side of the turret.

Would be interesting to see more of it. Is it me or does the exhaust look different than usual? Almost lookslike there is some sort of flang on the end of it.

Cheers
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 07:12 AM UTC
Note the two caps on top of the extra fuel drum!!!
I think they're the distinctive Polish caps!!!!
Once again, Mauro, you've dug out a treasure!!!!!
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 07:13 AM UTC
Yes it's a Poliish post-war tank.

There is a MR MODEL conversion for the DDR variant which is similar.

http://www.mrmodellbau.com/_shop/product_info.php?info=p402_MR---35176-T-34-85m-der-Nationalen-Volksarmee.html

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 07:17 AM UTC

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Once again, Mauro, you've dug out a treasure!!!!!


The "treasure" has been on the cover of Steve Zaloga's famous "Soviet Tanks and Combat Vehicles of WW2" book since 1984.



Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 07:26 AM UTC

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Is it me or does the exhaust look different than usual? Almost lookslike there is some sort of flang on the end of it.


I guess it has something to do with a wading gear. Check out the pics in this blog :

http://marutakeinternational.blogspot.fr/

Some of them show Polish-built T-34/85s including a T-34/85M2 fitted with a snorkel tube stored on the hull left side. Mauro's picture can be found there as well

More Polish T-34/85M2 pics on Primeportal :

http://www.primeportal.net/tanks/tim_roberts/t-34_85_m2/index.php?Page=4

HTH

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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 11:15 AM UTC
Thanks a lot to all of you for yor replies and observations. I'm very glad to share opinions with you.
Regarding the exhaust flangs I think that they have been inserted to prevent the exhaust deformations.

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More Polish T-34/85M2 pics on Primeportal :


Thanks Frenchy,I have already dowloaded those pics (but I didn't have the other ones ). The thing which I noticed was the 3 tones camo scheme which is beautiful indeed


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The "treasure" has been on the cover of Steve Zaloga's famous "Soviet Tanks and Combat Vehicles of WW2" book since 1984.


Christophe, thanks a lot for the info and to have spotted the resin conversion.
Anyway I think that Orestis was referred to the first link which I've posted when he talked about a "treasure"...there's something which could be very interesting for him








(that's another great scheme!)

I have some other questions for you. According to your opinion, where have been taken these two pics?





I think that the first one must have been taken in Afghanistan and the first one in Africa. According to the site owner, the first photo was taken in the eighties...yes but where?

Any idea?



PS. this pic is one of the photographic evidence which proves my theory



As you can notice, the terminations of the engine deck bulges look rounded. Well,as far as I know any T-34/85 kit in 35 scale reproduces that detail in a correct way. Even in DML kit that part has a wrong shape...That's (one of ) the reason why, i've been rebuilding the engine deck of my Zvezda T-34...
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 11:20 AM UTC
The Japanese site shows many of my photos without a credit, that have been taken from the Prime Portal link that you gave .
I have detailed measurements of the T34-85 M2 if anyone wants them.
Let me know.
Best Wishes
Tim
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 11:31 AM UTC
Hi Tim.
Your Pics on Primeportal are AMAZING!
Thanks a million to have posted them !
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 11:42 AM UTC

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The Japanese site shows many of my photos without a credit, that have been taken from the Prime Portal link that you gave .
I have detailed measurements of the T34-85 M2 if anyone wants them.
Let me know.
Best Wishes
Tim


Tim, I'd be very interested in any measurements you have!.

Mark
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 12:38 PM UTC
Dear Mark, e-mail sent, I hope to the right address
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 06:13 PM UTC

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Anyway I think that Orestis was referred to the first link which I've posted when he talked about a "treasure"...there's something which could be very interesting for him

Of course I was mentioning the link!
Ahhh... The Cypriot T-34/85... Sad story... Those beasts and their willing crews fell victim of an insufficient (and for some, coward) leaders...
When their commanders took initiative, they stopped the Turkish M-47 with ease!!!!
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 06:45 PM UTC

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Of course I was mentioning the link!
Ahhh... The Cypriot T-34/85... Sad story... Those beasts and their willing crews fell victim of an insufficient (and for some, coward) leaders...
When their commanders took initiative, they stopped the Turkish M-47 with ease!!!!


Orestis, do you know what were the camo schemes adopted on those tanks? They don't look painted in 4bo green, they seem painted in dark gray, but of course it might depend on the low quality photo. It would be interesting indeed reproducing one of these exemplars, especially that which is painted in 2 tones.

cheers
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 07:50 PM UTC

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Orestis, do you know what were the camo schemes adopted on those tanks? They don't look painted in 4bo green, they seem painted in dark gray, but of course it might depend on the low quality photo. It would be interesting indeed reproducing one of these exemplars, especially that which is painted in 2 tones.
cheers

To my knowledge, the Cypriot T-34/85, and the BTR-152 (yes, Cyprus had also BTR-152), were delivered in the 4bo green. The Greek-cypriot T-34/85, were delivered mainly from Czechoslovakia, the USSR and thirdly from Nasser's Egypt. The Yellow-ish color, is not an "official" color.Some say that it was plain mud, used during the invasion, to camouflage the tank...
But the Cypriot T-34/85 included a lack of uniformity, suggesting different factory and date sources of manufacture, with varied sub-types of turret for the 85mm gun, and a tendency to employ different types of wheels, often on the same vehicle. The most commonly used wheel type was the starfish, though it is common to see fan-shaped and solid-disc shaped wheel.
If you like I can search for some photos, with kind of interesting slogans that the crews wrote on the turrets...
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Posted: Thursday, July 12, 2012 - 07:50 PM UTC

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The Japanese site shows many of my photos without a credit, that have been taken from the Prime Portal link that you gave .
I have detailed measurements of the T34-85 M2 if anyone wants them.
Let me know.
Best Wishes
Tim


Tim, I'd be very interested in any measurements you have!.

Mark


Ditto!
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Posted: Friday, July 13, 2012 - 03:22 AM UTC
Dear Christophe
e-mail sent to the 2 addresses I have for you.
Best Wishes
Tim
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Thanks a lot to all of you for yor replies and observations. I'm very glad to share opinions with you.
Regarding the exhaust flangs I think that they have been inserted to prevent the exhaust deformations.

Quoted Text

More Polish T-34/85M2 pics on Primeportal :


Thanks Frenchy,I have already dowloaded those pics (but I didn't have the other ones ). The thing which I noticed was the 3 tones camo scheme which is beautiful indeed


Quoted Text

The "treasure" has been on the cover of Steve Zaloga's famous "Soviet Tanks and Combat Vehicles of WW2" book since 1984.


Christophe, thanks a lot for the info and to have spotted the resin conversion.
Anyway I think that Orestis was referred to the first link which I've posted when he talked about a "treasure"...there's something which could be very interesting for him








(that's another great scheme!)

I have some other questions for you. According to your opinion, where have been taken these two pics?





I think that the first one must have been taken in Afghanistan and the first one in Africa. According to the site owner, the first photo was taken in the eighties...yes but where?

Any idea?



PS. this pic is one of the photographic evidence which proves my theory



As you can notice, the terminations of the engine deck bulges look rounded. Well,as far as I know any T-34/85 kit in 35 scale reproduces that detail in a correct way. Even in DML kit that part has a wrong shape...That's (one of ) the reason why, i've been rebuilding the engine deck of my Zvezda T-34...



I know this is a old thread but the two photos in question are first from Somalia in the early 90's and the other was from Angola.Those T-34/85 belonged to the FAPLA but had been captured .
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