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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 08:13 AM UTC
Dragon has updated their website with the details for one their German anti-aircraft vehicles, and with its Quad guns, aircrafts beware.

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If you have comments or questions please post them here.

Thanks!
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 08:20 AM UTC
Looks good, especially the one-piece DS track!

I like the welding on the turret so it looks like I must get rid of my Italeri Ostwind and get this instead!








~ Jeff
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 01:49 PM UTC

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Looks good, especially the one-piece DS track!

I like the welding on the turret so it looks like I must get rid of my Italeri Ostwind and get this instead!

~ Jeff


Why? it's a different vehicle.... at least the upper halves, that is.
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 04:19 PM UTC

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and with its Quad guns, aircrafts beware.


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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 06:23 PM UTC
From what I read the quad 20's were not real effective at medium to long range. The Ostwind with it's 37mm was a stopgap replacement until the twin 30mm Kugelblitz could be fully developed (which it wasn't, due to the end of the war).
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 06:45 PM UTC

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From what I read the quad 20's were not real effective at medium to long range. The Ostwind with it's 37mm was a stopgap replacement until the twin 30mm Kugelblitz could be fully developed (which it wasn't, due to the end of the war).


Bob ,, It would seem that the Kugelblitz did see battle ,,One Kugelblitz was also involved in the fights near the town of Spichra, where it was destroyed and remained buried in the Spatenberg hill until its excavation in 1999.

I also got some pics of the remains of this vehicle and now all i gotta do is find them .

Phill
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 06:50 PM UTC

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and with its Quad guns, aircrafts beware.




Don't worry Damian, I'm pretty sure your Jabos are the real threat
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 09:38 PM UTC

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From what I read the quad 20's were not real effective at medium to long range. The Ostwind with it's 37mm was a stopgap replacement until the twin 30mm Kugelblitz could be fully developed (which it wasn't, due to the end of the war).



Who really cares how effective it was. It's a cool, way made model kit.





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Why? it's a different vehicle.... at least the upper halves, that is.




Like I said: "Looks good, especially the one-piece DS track! I like the welding on the turret"

Those are features my Italeri kit does not have. Yeah, I freakin' know it's a different vehicle (duh) but that's why I listed them.


You're rather new here so don't be so objectionable to everyone's replies.








~ Jeff
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 11:39 PM UTC

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Looks good, especially the one-piece DS track!

I like the welding on the turret so it looks like I must get rid of my Italeri Ostwind and get this instead!
~ Jeff

lol, Im the opposite..looks great except for the DS tracks
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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 - 06:32 PM UTC
Bob ,, It would seem that the Kugelblitz did see battle ,,One Kugelblitz was also involved in the fights near the town of Spichra, where it was destroyed and remained buried in the Spatenberg hill until its excavation in 1999.

I also got some pics of the remains of this vehicle and now all i gotta do is find them .

Phill

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Hi Phill, I guess I should have clarified that some of the prototypes (or test vehicles) got involved in the fight, but they hadn't gone into full production yet. Thanks for bringing it up though.

Bob
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Posted: Friday, August 17, 2012 - 06:43 PM UTC
You're rather new here so don't be so objectionable to everyone's replies.

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Jeff,
I didn't realize that putting in a little history factoid for the benefit of those who don't know about the weapons, and wondering why you felt the need to get rid of one type of tank to buy a different one was objectional.

Bob
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 12:42 AM UTC

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lol, Im the opposite..looks great except for the DS tracks




Yeah, I guess not everyone is a fan of those but I'd like to try them at least once but I bet they need to be for the right application, according to any track sag and such. Maybe a 'live track' on an Allied tank.








~ Jeff
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 01:57 AM UTC
Looking forward to this.

I'll have to take the kit, my calculator and my measuring tape next door to the Borden Museum and see how things stack up.

God I love having good reference close by.
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 03:56 AM UTC

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Looking forward to this.

I'll have to take the kit, my calculator and my measuring tape next door to the Borden Museum and see how things stack up.

God I love having good reference close by.


lol, rub it in sean.
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Posted: Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 04:01 PM UTC
DML need to start numbering their kits, this is the their Wirbelwind now?
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Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 01:47 PM UTC
I'm an angry guy now, Zimmerit AND DS tracks? I've got the Wirbelwind smart kit, and this one here looks like a lot better of a build.

Oh well. I got mine for $15 at my lhs. Can't beat that I guess

-Conor
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Posted: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 - 02:26 PM UTC
OK... This Wirbelwind with zimm...

I'm feeling sorta uncertain at this moment! Dragon CAN'T be trying to say that this is a IV-G hull from a tank with original "factory" zimmerit - G ended production before zimmerit became a factory application by order. Yet it looks pretty "factory-like"! And yet I have never seen any convincing evidence that OstBau Werke - Sagan - the folks who took damaged Pz IV hulls and rebuilt them into Wirbelwinds from mid-May thru Nov 1944 - ever actually did any "factory" zimming during their rebuild process! And of course, all factory and refurbishment-establishment (such as Nibelungenwerke) zimming came to a halt in SEP 1944, in any case, so any conversions done after SEP 1944 using a hull without zimm would certainly become a Wirbel w/o zimm...

Well... looks cool, anyway! (but I am not a fan of DS tracks... prefer Magic track, but that's me). Even if I'm not sure as to the exact chain of events for how a G became a "factory" (looking) zimm'd Wirbel! I do rest assured that someone will rise up and set me straight on this!

All 3 of D's Wirbel kits are pretty nice looking indeed. I have the non-zimm G kit - which "plans" on becoming a non-zimm G Wirbel

Bob
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