An interesting figure release in 1/35 scale coming from Dragon. Est-ce que vous parlez francais?
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Dragon Does FrenchPosted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 03:16 AM UTC
Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 06:21 AM UTC
I like the look of the figures and it is an unusual release from Dragon, I do however have a real dislike of the new direction of the box artwork.
dioman13
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 07:13 AM UTC
Nice looking figures BUT, why does Dragon almost always have one dam figure pointing. Do the people who do these figures have no other ability than to have one pointing. A more suitable pose could have been done easy enough. Really, the sculptors have talent but this is dumb. Will take some effort to change the pointing arm to something else depending on the sleave detail. Box art work is weird. With Ron's, you knew what was there, I question this as it is easier to missrepresent what is inside the box.
Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 09:55 AM UTC
Bienvenue, renforts! As a fan of the Blitzkrieg, subjects like this will coax me back into armor/infantry subjects! I am neautral as to the figure poses and gestures although I am glad they chose action, if not actual combat. I agree wholeheartedly that the box art is a step in the wrong direction. Battlements I understand, but trees in the background are superfluous. The eye must separate the model subjects from this Arbor day ad, and the subject models do not "pop".
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 11:50 AM UTC
I'm no expert on French uniforms, but I'm pretty sure that at the start of hostilities,they were wearing basically the same uniforms as they did in World War I.The main difference was the color, a Grey-Blue during WWI, and a Mustard Brown in WWII. This could be a very useful set for modelers of WWI subjects.
johhar
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 01:21 PM UTC
One guy pointing and one guy using his hand to tell others to stay back. And the pipe? Really. What's the guy thinking, "Just one more hit on the pipe before I face the panzers."
Scouteyes
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 01:49 PM UTC
I agree with the previous comments about the ever present "pointing guy" pose that Dragon just can't seem to get away from. I do like the soldier with the pipe though. There is a lot of photo reference that shows WWII soldiers (particularly Germans) with pipes, in all kinds of activity. I think it's a useful pose, but I think it might be a mismatch in a diorama where he is facing down a panzer
captnenglish
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Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2012 - 02:05 PM UTC
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I'm no expert on French uniforms, but I'm pretty sure that at the start of hostilities,they were wearing basically the same uniforms as they did in World War I.The main difference was the color, a Grey-Blue during WWI, and a Mustard Brown in WWII. This could be a very useful set for modelers of WWI subjects.
You are correct and that is the main attraction for me about this kit. The box art blows though Can't wait to see a review of this kit.
TonyE78
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 01:45 AM UTC
At first glance there seem to be some errors/omissions, the machine gun assistant (or loader) is not carrying his bag for spare FM24/29 magazines, this is the same bag that the gunner can (correctly) be seen carrying on his right side. The loader could also have a small backpack with extra magazines, but in a static situation likes this it might be located somewhere nearby rather than carried.
On the left side of each figure they are all carrying a haversack (should be a little lower as it is attached to the belt), while this is fairly correct they should propably be wearing the gas mask satchel aswell as they do have the sling for it already across the chest. The gasmask satchel is not seen on the photos but can be seen on the loader in the box top painting. If it is not included in the set this satchel can be found in the french infantry kit made by Tamiya.
The officer seem to be missing his pistol but have a standard rifle ammo pouch on his left instead, which seems weird (the LMG gunner though should have one as a utility pouch). The canteens also seem on the small side, but correct ones can (again) be found in Tamiyas set of french infantry.
Granted these "errors" might not be in the final kit so this is just a quick evaluation of what the current pictures are showing us.
The pointing figure and the officer are the ones that would lend themselfs best for ww1 conversion as the LMG team would need major surgery to alter their trousers. One would also need to find the older type of cartridge pouches (again this can be found in Tamiyas french infantry kit) and the older types of canteen and gasmask.
On the left side of each figure they are all carrying a haversack (should be a little lower as it is attached to the belt), while this is fairly correct they should propably be wearing the gas mask satchel aswell as they do have the sling for it already across the chest. The gasmask satchel is not seen on the photos but can be seen on the loader in the box top painting. If it is not included in the set this satchel can be found in the french infantry kit made by Tamiya.
The officer seem to be missing his pistol but have a standard rifle ammo pouch on his left instead, which seems weird (the LMG gunner though should have one as a utility pouch). The canteens also seem on the small side, but correct ones can (again) be found in Tamiyas set of french infantry.
Granted these "errors" might not be in the final kit so this is just a quick evaluation of what the current pictures are showing us.
The pointing figure and the officer are the ones that would lend themselfs best for ww1 conversion as the LMG team would need major surgery to alter their trousers. One would also need to find the older type of cartridge pouches (again this can be found in Tamiyas french infantry kit) and the older types of canteen and gasmask.
TonyE78
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 04:21 AM UTC
It`s actually a little confusing as on the box top painting they seem to be wearing correct gasmask satchels but on the prototype shots they are wearing havresacks in their place. The officer also seem to be wearing the Y-straps of the ordinary soldiers over his shoulders while he should be wearing a "Sam Browne" belt with a single narrow strap instead.
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Posted: Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 06:12 AM UTC
Given the picture it's hard to say for sure but, it looks like Dragon is the first one to finally get it right and provide the correct ww2 era MAS36 rifle! I might just have to pick up a set if its can be confirmed.
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2012 - 02:24 AM UTC
Just a quick comment regarding pointing figures. Whilst I agree its a bit tedious that DML seem incapable of doing other poses, actually I think pointing figures are quite useful when placed within a diorama. A figure pointing to something not in the diorama creates the impression that the diorama is part of a larger scene, as though events are taking place beyond the the depicted scene and actually helps to create a much more enhanced sense of atmosphere and reality, but also allows the diorama to feel bigger without the need to actually build a huge diorama with those other objects being pointed at. To an extent as well it allows the viewers imagination to place the diorama within a larger context, and imagine what events are taking place outside of the scene.
Just my opinion anyway...
Just my opinion anyway...
dioman13
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Posted: Monday, October 29, 2012 - 03:01 AM UTC
I have to agree with you Rob, about the pointing figure but, with the other guy signaling to wait it doesn't match up well in the set. It would be nice if they gave the option of two different arms for the one figure. As far as the equipment goes, I couldn't tell one way or the other and will have to reveiw my books. All in all, I will P/U a set or two because I'll kit bash them to different poses. They do look rather good and are really better than the Tamiya set. So with the problems with the equipment, maybe a set of the Tamiya figures will fix it. Wont be the first time and as modelers we often have to do this which is O.K. with me, as mixing figure parts leads to different looking figures rather than the same ole same ole.
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Posted: Friday, November 09, 2012 - 02:05 PM UTC
Finally, new poses. I don't see myself buying the kit, but if the poses here are something new, maybe there's hope for something other than standing and pointing Germans. Probably just wishful thinking...
Posted: Thursday, November 15, 2012 - 11:41 PM UTC
I think these are a decent looking set of very useful figures. I don't have any issue with the pointing figure nor the chap with the pipe. Nor the Box Art for that matter.
I like the poses and if you group them logically then there is a direct link between the pointing chap telling the gunners to move forward and the NCO/Officer indicating wait/or get down.
I don't know much about French uniform but these may well work very well for WW1 too which makes them even more useful.
Modellers of French Subjects have now got more affordable choice, so that's got to be good and as has been pointed out don't we mix match and alter most of the time anyway?
It is good to see more French figures coming along. If there are any issues with the kit these can usually be sorted out.
Al
I like the poses and if you group them logically then there is a direct link between the pointing chap telling the gunners to move forward and the NCO/Officer indicating wait/or get down.
I don't know much about French uniform but these may well work very well for WW1 too which makes them even more useful.
Modellers of French Subjects have now got more affordable choice, so that's got to be good and as has been pointed out don't we mix match and alter most of the time anyway?
It is good to see more French figures coming along. If there are any issues with the kit these can usually be sorted out.
Al