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Another T-64!
Hisham
Joined: July 23, 2004
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Posted: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 07:52 PM UTC
They're really going to town with these T-64s!!
Hisham
Hisham
Nito74
Joined: March 04, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 08:06 PM UTC
YESSSS !!!!!!!!
hugohuertas
Joined: January 26, 2007
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 01:55 AM UTC
Definitely, I need an extra job only to afford Trumpeter releases...
grunt136mike
Joined: November 24, 2012
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 10:46 AM UTC
Hi;
Yep, !--- Im still waiting for the Bulat
CHEERS; MIKE.
Yep, !--- Im still waiting for the Bulat
CHEERS; MIKE.
RedStar
Joined: October 05, 2010
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 03:53 PM UTC
I gotta believe that a T-64BM is in the release program somewhere. As modular as the parts are in that kit, it's just not that much of a stretch...
I'll get it when it shows, and am looking forward to the next two that are already announced!
Probably starting a T-64 next - just have to decide which of the three possibilities to make from their original release... '69, '72 or '67 backdate...
Might not have been the greatest, but I love the look of them, and will build as many as I can!
I'll get it when it shows, and am looking forward to the next two that are already announced!
Probably starting a T-64 next - just have to decide which of the three possibilities to make from their original release... '69, '72 or '67 backdate...
Might not have been the greatest, but I love the look of them, and will build as many as I can!
UGBEAR
Joined: December 01, 2011
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 05:45 PM UTC
I'm pretty sure they already post another T-64BV drawing somewhere else...
T-64BM blut is great, right now there's T-64 series T-80BV and a T-90A in
their to do list..... in the near future we will have a entire cold war/modern Russian tanks available in the market.........
It's been so long.... and still got years to wait for a entire cold war
"T series" to come into reality....
maybe I fell in love with Ruskie modern armor too early?
sry......I must be drunk.....
T-64BM blut is great, right now there's T-64 series T-80BV and a T-90A in
their to do list..... in the near future we will have a entire cold war/modern Russian tanks available in the market.........
It's been so long.... and still got years to wait for a entire cold war
"T series" to come into reality....
maybe I fell in love with Ruskie modern armor too early?
sry......I must be drunk.....
Violetrock
Joined: March 09, 2003
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 10:22 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I'm pretty sure they already post another T-64BV drawing somewhere else...
It was the T-64AV drawing, which was shown here.
A T-64 backdate will be a difficult task, as you have to change the rear of the hull.
Thomas
Reiter960
Joined: June 24, 2007
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Posted: Saturday, June 22, 2013 - 07:59 PM UTC
I was hopping for Object 432 or T-64R, but this will do 
vonHengest
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 07:39 AM UTC
I have to admit that I do like the reactive armor, something to think about for sure.
SEDimmick
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 12:51 AM UTC
Been waiting for this one!
I want this one too
I want this one too
grunt136mike
Joined: November 24, 2012
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 07:12 AM UTC
Hi;
YESER-RRREEE BOB !!! Thats the Bulat
This is the Latest Mk; of the T-64, and is one Cool looking tank. A lot of its systems were carried into the T-80 Objects, its Engine was a nitemare, and drank fuel almost as fast as it could be poured into the fuel tanks !
Come-on Trump, give us the Bulat !!
CHEERS; MIKE.
YESER-RRREEE BOB !!! Thats the Bulat
This is the Latest Mk; of the T-64, and is one Cool looking tank. A lot of its systems were carried into the T-80 Objects, its Engine was a nitemare, and drank fuel almost as fast as it could be poured into the fuel tanks !
Come-on Trump, give us the Bulat !!
CHEERS; MIKE.
Reiter960
Joined: June 24, 2007
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 05:15 PM UTC
Twin turbo boxer-10 drank fuel? It was by far the savviest motor of all soviet heavy armor ones.
Tommydean
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Posted: Sunday, July 07, 2013 - 03:11 PM UTC
The Bulat MBT has an upgraded powerpack. Vehicle is powered by a 5TDFM diesel engine, developing 850 hp. It is an uprated version of the previous 5TDF. It might be also fitted with the 6TD-1 diesel, developing 1 000 hp. It is worth mentioning, that original engine of the T-64 was a Soviet unsuccessful attempt to copy powerpack of the British Chieftain. The 5TDF engine of the T-64 was notoriously unreliable.
According to military today
According to military today
Reiter960
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Posted: Sunday, July 07, 2013 - 04:39 PM UTC
Quoted Text
The Bulat MBT has an upgraded powerpack. Vehicle is powered by a 5TDFM diesel engine, developing 850 hp. It is an uprated version of the previous 5TDF. It might be also fitted with the 6TD-1 diesel, developing 1 000 hp. It is worth mentioning, that original engine of the T-64 was a Soviet unsuccessful attempt to copy powerpack of the British Chieftain. The 5TDF engine of the T-64 was notoriously unreliable.
According to military today
I think this is an unfounded allegation.. If anything the inspiration for 5TD engines might have come from older Krupp flat pack truck engines, but as far as dates and patents go 5TD was an original development. They built first motors starting 1960, unless people in USSR knew how to time travel there was no way for them to copy Chifie's engine design.
hugohuertas
Joined: January 26, 2007
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Posted: Monday, July 08, 2013 - 03:25 AM UTC
I agree, but soviets not necessarily had to have a time machine...
The development of the Leyland L-60 -Chieftain's engine- goes back to the years immediately after WWII, and its generally accepted that it was based on a Junkers project from the end of the war (the Jumo 205 if I recall it right).
Almost the same can be said about soviet opposed-piston engines, either if we are talking about the earlier 4TD (circa 1958?) engine or the later 5TDF (produced in 1962?)
So I agree that its hard to tell that 4TD was actually based on the L60 engine; more likely, both engines may be "inspired" by Junkers designs.
Anyway, the time gap between them is not as wide as it may seems, the development of both tanks went in parallell for no less than five or six years.
Lets see: first British Leyland own prototypes that led to the Chieftain design were from 1956 and AFAIK they already were already equipped with he L60. The first three prototypes of the Obyekt 430 were tested in Kubinka in 1958.
Officially, the T-64 entered service on december 1966, and the Chieftains on 1967, again if I recall it correctly. So they were quite contemporary developments.
On those cold-war years we could not know what the soviets were doing, but western designs were almost in a public display, so all we can do is guess about this matter...
Just my 0.02
The development of the Leyland L-60 -Chieftain's engine- goes back to the years immediately after WWII, and its generally accepted that it was based on a Junkers project from the end of the war (the Jumo 205 if I recall it right).
Almost the same can be said about soviet opposed-piston engines, either if we are talking about the earlier 4TD (circa 1958?) engine or the later 5TDF (produced in 1962?)
So I agree that its hard to tell that 4TD was actually based on the L60 engine; more likely, both engines may be "inspired" by Junkers designs.
Anyway, the time gap between them is not as wide as it may seems, the development of both tanks went in parallell for no less than five or six years.
Lets see: first British Leyland own prototypes that led to the Chieftain design were from 1956 and AFAIK they already were already equipped with he L60. The first three prototypes of the Obyekt 430 were tested in Kubinka in 1958.
Officially, the T-64 entered service on december 1966, and the Chieftains on 1967, again if I recall it correctly. So they were quite contemporary developments.
On those cold-war years we could not know what the soviets were doing, but western designs were almost in a public display, so all we can do is guess about this matter...
Just my 0.02
Tommydean
Joined: June 24, 2013
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Posted: Monday, July 08, 2013 - 08:17 PM UTC
I do remember the Soviet Union being closed off from the rest of the world. The part of the article I posted is so remanisant of the soviets though even if it may not be true they sure liked nocking of other designs. This reminded me of when our space shuttle came on line back in the 80s. Then the soviets did one hence the name shuttleski
bigmal
Joined: February 21, 2011
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Posted: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 02:29 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextThe Bulat MBT has an upgraded powerpack. Vehicle is powered by a 5TDFM diesel engine, developing 850 hp. It is an uprated version of the previous 5TDF. It might be also fitted with the 6TD-1 diesel, developing 1 000 hp. It is worth mentioning, that original engine of the T-64 was a Soviet unsuccessful attempt to copy powerpack of the British Chieftain. The 5TDF engine of the T-64 was notoriously unreliable.
According to military today
I think this is an unfounded allegation.. If anything the inspiration for 5TD engines might have come from older Krupp flat pack truck engines, but as far as dates and patents go 5TD was an original development. They built first motors starting 1960, unless people in USSR knew how to time travel there was no way for them to copy Chifie's engine design.
I have to say that it could have been possible to copy the engine design of Chieftain, as spying in the late 50`s and early 60`s was rife with paranoia on both sides.
The very first CHIEFTAIN WAS BUILT IN 1959, it was found recently and saved from a scrap yard, and can now be found in Bovington Tank Museum.
Removed by original poster on 07/09/13 - 17:50:00 (GMT).
RuloMxy
Joined: March 05, 2009
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Posted: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 05:52 AM UTC
I can't see much resemblance between the Leyland L60 (6 cylinder - vertical pistons) and the 5TDF (5 cylinder - horizontal pistons) engines other than they are opposed-piston engines, which were invented by a Russian, Raymond Koreyvo, in 1907.
I am attaching links of both engines
Leyland L60 Chieftain
5TDF T-64
6TDF T-80UD
I am attaching links of both engines
Leyland L60 Chieftain
5TDF T-64
6TDF T-80UD
Reiter960
Joined: June 24, 2007
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Posted: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 - 06:46 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I do remember the Soviet Union being closed off from the rest of the world. The part of the article I posted is so remanisant of the soviets though even if it may not be true they sure liked nocking of other designs. This reminded me of when our space shuttle came on line back in the 80s. Then the soviets did one hence the name shuttleski
As a practicing aerospace engineer, I can assure you that STS and Buran were two very different re-usable vehicles. Near same in concept, but very different in design.
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