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Trump T-72b?
CB1000h
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 01:40 AM UTC
SEDimmick
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 02:36 AM UTC
I have one, its a copy of the Tamiya T-72 with a new tool turret (maybe copied from the Dragon kit) and some poorly done ERA bricks for it.
I'm using one as a base for a Syrian T-72AV I'm working on. The molding detail could be better, but it was a lot cheaper then the Tamiya kit retail wise, so I don't mind putting some extra work into it.
I'm using one as a base for a Syrian T-72AV I'm working on. The molding detail could be better, but it was a lot cheaper then the Tamiya kit retail wise, so I don't mind putting some extra work into it.
CB1000h
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 02:54 AM UTC
Thanks for the input
I too was looking to do one as a Syrian armor unit
I assume you have seen the Syrian v Rebel you tube videos
Some great tank battle footage
here is one example of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO3keRxRbso
I too was looking to do one as a Syrian armor unit
I assume you have seen the Syrian v Rebel you tube videos
Some great tank battle footage
here is one example of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO3keRxRbso
UGBEAR
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 06:58 AM UTC
that stuff is too ancient mate , trumpy is releasing a T-90 cast turret, no doubt they'll release a T-72B series in future 
perhaps just wait for the surprise?
perhaps just wait for the surprise? SEDimmick
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 07:22 AM UTC
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that stuff is too ancient mate , trumpy is releasing a T-90 cast turret, no doubt they'll release a T-72B series in future
The Syrians use T-72A and M models not the B. I'm sure Trumpeter and Meng will do one, but if you want one now, you can use this kit and some AM items and build one yourself
cagkancakir
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 08:10 AM UTC
I have one too. If you are planning a T-72 project with heavy scratch-build details or resin conversion, this must be the kit that you will use. It is a Tamiya copy, not good as Tamiya's but cheaper.
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DerGeist
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 08:21 AM UTC
I have the B as well. I've compared it to the Tamiya 72 I just recently finished building. The kits aren't very different. The detail on the Trump kit is slightly softer but I don't think it will be noticeable once there's paint on the model and a PE set. Oh, the Trump kits are motorized, at least mine is. It doesn't bother me though, its just the base for extensive resin replacements.
Erik
Erik
grunt136mike
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 09:32 AM UTC
Hi;
These kits are great, there cheap nock-offs of the Tamiya kit. There were four or five different Boxed makers,
besides Trumpeter there is WSN, Mini Hobby,Hobbycraft etc;
And you could even get it with the Mine Roller, the only thing that Demanded replacing were the Tracks. These kits are nice as they lead into other versions that are Based on the T-72, as stated before the Turret is Crap. But you can replace it with AM companies like SBS or NKP there cheaper than Miniarm,Js, or Blasts turrets. Ive used them on my BPMR; Terminator Mk;1,and BMPT versions.
CHEERS; MIKE.
These kits are great, there cheap nock-offs of the Tamiya kit. There were four or five different Boxed makers,
besides Trumpeter there is WSN, Mini Hobby,Hobbycraft etc;
And you could even get it with the Mine Roller, the only thing that Demanded replacing were the Tracks. These kits are nice as they lead into other versions that are Based on the T-72, as stated before the Turret is Crap. But you can replace it with AM companies like SBS or NKP there cheaper than Miniarm,Js, or Blasts turrets. Ive used them on my BPMR; Terminator Mk;1,and BMPT versions.
CHEERS; MIKE.
Jacques
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 09:52 AM UTC
Try to find the Eduard smart kit for the Tamiya T-72 to get the engine screens. The stickers in the Trumpeter kits are too much to laugh at. Tracks need to be replaced too...
WilliamDeCicco
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 11:50 AM UTC
I wanted to do a Syria tank an the T-72's out there I wasn't sure what to use but the video helped but what BMP's were in the video's it would be a nice dio idea. There is one by someone that has reactive armor but not sure if the Syrian army used them what ones do they have so I don't do a inaccurate dio.
Happy modeling
Happy modeling
grunt136mike
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 12:31 PM UTC
Hi;
The Video I think you are referring too is Darriya, the T-72s were BVs with ERA and BMP-2s and one Lil- Chinese APC.
The Video Lasted 32 minutes.
CHEERS; MIKE.
The Video I think you are referring too is Darriya, the T-72s were BVs with ERA and BMP-2s and one Lil- Chinese APC.
The Video Lasted 32 minutes.
CHEERS; MIKE.
jphillips
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 02:53 PM UTC
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I wanted to do a Syria tank an the T-72's out there I wasn't sure what to use but the video helped but what BMP's were in the video's it would be a nice dio idea. There is one by someone that has reactive armor but not sure if the Syrian army used them what ones do they have so I don't do a inaccurate dio.
Happy modeling
Here's a site listing vehicles known to be in Syrian Arab Army service; I hope you find it helpful.
http://spioenkop.blogspot.com/2013/02/syria-and-her-fighting-vehicles_25.html
grunt136mike
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 - 04:44 PM UTC
Hi;
The list is only partly correct, they use the A,M1,M2, with & without ERA. The others are the T-54,55,62, the BMP-1 & 2. The MTLB, ZSU-23x4, If you look at the U-tube videos you can see almost all of there equipment.
Also you can see the YW Chinese vehicles that's seen with the T-72s in the Battle for Darriya.
CHEERS; MIKE.
The list is only partly correct, they use the A,M1,M2, with & without ERA. The others are the T-54,55,62, the BMP-1 & 2. The MTLB, ZSU-23x4, If you look at the U-tube videos you can see almost all of there equipment.
Also you can see the YW Chinese vehicles that's seen with the T-72s in the Battle for Darriya.
CHEERS; MIKE.
afv_rob
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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 - 06:07 AM UTC
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Hi;
The list is only partly correct, they use the A,M1,M2, with & without ERA. The others are the T-54,55,62, the BMP-1 & 2. The MTLB, ZSU-23x4, If you look at the U-tube videos you can see almost all of there equipment.
Also you can see the YW Chinese vehicles that's seen with the T-72s in the Battle for Darriya.
CHEERS; MIKE.
I've not seen any T-72M2's out there, which is the designator (probably incorrect) for the Bulgarian T-72M1 with upgraded sights.
The Common Syrian 72's are the vanilla M version, some of which feature the very early Ural type turret with coincidence ranger finder, M1's and AV's. Some of the AV's apear to be the M1, locally upgraded with reactive armour, rather than being original T-72's to AV standard.
grunt136mike
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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 - 08:24 AM UTC
Hi;
If you follow the Videos showing the Conflict in Syria, you can see the T-72s that are in the each video.
The M2 has the Smoke Mortars mounted on the Left side of the turret, the Syrian army also have the BV in service.
Now the BV is easy too recognize as its ERA Bricks are Hanging all over the place, Some of the others seen are the M1 and the early version with the Range Finder on the right side of the turret.
CHEERS; MIKE.
If you follow the Videos showing the Conflict in Syria, you can see the T-72s that are in the each video.
The M2 has the Smoke Mortars mounted on the Left side of the turret, the Syrian army also have the BV in service.
Now the BV is easy too recognize as its ERA Bricks are Hanging all over the place, Some of the others seen are the M1 and the early version with the Range Finder on the right side of the turret.
CHEERS; MIKE.
afv_rob
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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 - 08:29 AM UTC
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Now the BV is easy too recognize as its ERA Bricks are Hanging all over the place, Some of the others seen are the M1 and the early version with the Range Finder on the right side of the turret.
CHEERS; MIKE.
Theres no T-72B's in Syria. The tanks you are thinking of are either AV's or M1's upgraded with K-1 reactive armour blocks (some of which are just locally produced).
grunt136mike
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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 - 08:40 AM UTC
Hi;
Look or watch the Battle for Darriya, its 32 min, long.
Or Type in T-72M2 on the WEB And see what you get !
There are Lots of pics, showing it with & without ERA.
Again, CHEERS, MIKE.
Look or watch the Battle for Darriya, its 32 min, long.
Or Type in T-72M2 on the WEB And see what you get !
There are Lots of pics, showing it with & without ERA.
Again, CHEERS, MIKE.
grunt136mike
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Posted: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 - 09:35 AM UTC
Hi Guys;
I BOW MY HEAD IN SHAME !!!!!
I am Totally Wrong !!!! Its Been A Long Day.
And your correct the M2 is as you stated. MY BAD !!
SORRY For the OT, MIKE. (( I Think Ill Go Back Too Bed ))
I BOW MY HEAD IN SHAME !!!!!
I am Totally Wrong !!!! Its Been A Long Day.
And your correct the M2 is as you stated. MY BAD !!
SORRY For the OT, MIKE. (( I Think Ill Go Back Too Bed ))
afv_rob
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Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2013 - 08:45 AM UTC
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Hi Guys;
I BOW MY HEAD IN SHAME !!!!!
I am Totally Wrong !!!! Its Been A Long Day.
And your correct the M2 is as you stated. MY BAD !!
SORRY For the OT, MIKE. (( I Think Ill Go Back Too Bed ))
Dont sweat it Mike, the T-72 family is a pig to get your head around at the best of times. The locally produced Syrian upgrades mixed with various export models make life even harder to identify the versions.
Jacques
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Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2013 - 09:29 AM UTC
Just to be clear on this, there is NO Soviet/Russian designated T-72M2. There is a T-72M (T-72 plain), T-72M1 (T-72A), and T-72S (T-72B). I do not know why they switched to the -S designator, but the M2 is not official anyhow. The Soviets did end up with some -S in their own service when a export deal to Iran fell apart (some sources also list a Iraqi deal that went bad).
Just want to make sure that if you want info on export T-72B's you use the correct designator T-72S to get the best results.
My best guess on this is that they are T-72S in Syrian service, not T-72B.
Just want to make sure that if you want info on export T-72B's you use the correct designator T-72S to get the best results.
My best guess on this is that they are T-72S in Syrian service, not T-72B.
afv_rob
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Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2013 - 10:31 AM UTC
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Just to be clear on this, there is NO Soviet/Russian designated T-72M2. There is a T-72M (T-72 plain), T-72M1 (T-72A), and T-72S (T-72B). I do not know why they switched to the -S designator, but the M2 is not official anyhow. The Soviets did end up with some -S in their own service when a export deal to Iran fell apart (some sources also list a Iraqi deal that went bad).
Just want to make sure that if you want info on export T-72B's you use the correct designator T-72S to get the best results.
My best guess on this is that they are T-72S in Syrian service, not T-72B.
I've yet to see any T-72S models in Syrian service. Pretty much all their 72's are the plain jane early M turrets or the A/M1 'dolly parton' turret.
Jacques
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Posted: Thursday, August 15, 2013 - 11:43 AM UTC
Best thread for info on Syrian tanks: http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?s=2b42b5ab71ef33730b75766157cbf222&showtopic=34025
AlexClark
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Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013 - 10:24 AM UTC
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Quoted TextJust to be clear on this, there is NO Soviet/Russian designated T-72M2. There is a T-72M (T-72 plain), T-72M1 (T-72A), and T-72S (T-72B). I do not know why they switched to the -S designator, but the M2 is not official anyhow. The Soviets did end up with some -S in their own service when a export deal to Iran fell apart (some sources also list a Iraqi deal that went bad).
Just want to make sure that if you want info on export T-72B's you use the correct designator T-72S to get the best results.
My best guess on this is that they are T-72S in Syrian service, not T-72B.
I've yet to see any T-72S models in Syrian service. Pretty much all their 72's are the plain jane early M turrets or the A/M1 'dolly parton' turret.
I'd mostly agree with this too. Any pics of a Syrian T-72S or B would be very interesting, but I've yet to see any. The plain T-72 vehicles appear to be the export T-72 Model 1975 with the coincidence / stereoscopic rangefinder, rather than the slightly later M that lacks this (but with the same basic turret shape).
regards
Alex
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