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Legend ADATS conversion
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 06:43 AM UTC
Looks like the master has been cast. Charlie Pritchett has posted pics on his FB account. Very excited to see this released - it won;t be long now.
pic (c) Charlie Pritchett:

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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 06:45 AM UTC
Nice. It's not the only M113 based vehicle coming.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 06:50 AM UTC
Wow, looks amazing. Definitely a great time to be a Canadian modeller.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 07:37 AM UTC
Is the ADATS still in service with the Canadian Army? Definitly a must-have.
H.-H.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 08:25 AM UTC
Hi, ADATS was retired recently. There are few used as training aids, but there are no missiles left in the inventory. It joined the Javelin S-15, GDF-005 35mm Gun & Skyguard. Canadian Army now has no ground-based Air Defence.

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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 09:06 AM UTC
Graeme.....It floors me that any military would not have a ground based AD capability. I think my own Army is extremely short-sighted thinking the HMMWV Avenger is adequate.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 09:37 AM UTC

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Graeme.....It floors me that any military would not have a ground based AD capability. I think my own Army is extremely short-sighted thinking the HMMWV Avenger is adequate.



Really??!!

naaaaaaaaaaaaaah..........
gcdavidson
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 09:46 AM UTC
Yep, no AD. It's germane to the ADATS, so I'll only go a little off topic..

Without getting into all the whys & wherefores, we had an Army that had to be cut. The General looked at any vehicle that had not been deployed on an operation and that was strike 1 (we lost SP Artillery around the same time when M-109 was cut...however the combat function remains with M-777).

There's a sense that the main gun of LAV-25 is "good enough" for AD, and that we will always deploy as part of a coalition with air supremacy & theatre GBAD courtesy of Uncle Sam. The French thought the same thing when they deployed to the Ivory Coast...and yet:

And I would be very surprised if Spec Ops Regt and/or JTF-2 did not hold some kind of fire & forget MANPADS.

French troops without Air Defence
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 07:46 PM UTC
This might make a nice what-if Stryker ADV. I always thought that was a missing version in the range.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 08:44 PM UTC
Hi Graeme

The French Army still have Air Defense capability :

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/air/technologies/armement/sol-air/armement-sol-air

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/terre/equipements/artillerie/vab-t20-13 (OK this one shows its age...)

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/terre/equipements/artillerie/systeme-d-arme-sol-air-mistral

including the brand new SAMP/T Mamba :



Sorry for the digression

H.P.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 10:58 PM UTC
Now that the date is not first of April anymore:

Is this for real ??
I worked half a year at Contraves in Switzerland who were very much involved in developing the ADATS (I wasn't even close to that project but a model of it would be VERY interesting, saves me the effort to scratchbuild ....)

/ Robin
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 12:04 AM UTC
Definitely looking forward to this. May have to build two though...one for me and one for my grandfather. He was one of the CF Training Development Officers that went to Switzerland back in the 80's to develop the CF training program for the ADATS when we acquired them.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 12:41 AM UTC
Hi Henri - my example was what happens when soldiers deploy without AD. Yes, I'm aware France has GBAD, but since the Ivory Coast airforce was 2 x fixed wing (+/-), its showed what 2 aircraft can do when troops cannot return fire. In the end, I believe French SOF destroyed the aircraft while they were on the ground at the airfield.

It's not a 1 April joke fellas.

We're looking into a PE stencil to paint the few markings on the ADATS.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 12:56 AM UTC
OOOPS ! Looks like I had missed your point

H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 06:29 AM UTC
At last! I've never completed my build on this but happy to know that now there is a conversion set. Can't wait!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 09:24 AM UTC
I'd love to put one on a Bradley.




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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 10:57 AM UTC
Count me in I want two !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 04:13 PM UTC
I think I once saw a pic of it mounted on an LAV3....dunno if my memory serves me right.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 04:36 PM UTC

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I think I once saw a pic of it mounted on an LAV3....dunno if my memory serves me right.



That was the MMEV concept...it never became a reality....but would make a great What If with the conversion and a LAV III hull!

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Posted: Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 07:24 PM UTC
Nice one,Jason.
Is(was) the Adats/M3 a concept project too?
Cheers,
Bill
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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 12:02 AM UTC
The ADATS on a Bradely was the winner of the US LLAD trials, however the project was cancelled in the early 1980's. I believe it was called Linebacker, though that name persisted with the BSFV.
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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 12:43 AM UTC
18Bravo
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Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 01:35 AM UTC
Interesting. I've got an @$$load of complete Bradley hulls minus tracks. Might have to give do that.
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