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Trumpeter 2S7M
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Posted: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 - 07:51 AM UTC






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Posted: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 - 07:58 AM UTC
Interesting. I wonder if this thing has ever seen combat?
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 - 08:15 AM UTC

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Interesting. I wonder if this thing has ever seen combat?


I doubt it. I believe it was too late, for the war in Afghanistan.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 - 08:22 AM UTC

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I doubt it. I believe it was too late, for the war in Afghanistan.


The 2S7M entered service in 1983, eight years after the original 2S7. The Soviet occupation of Afghanistan was from 1979 until 1989, even though the initial turnover and withdrawal from Afghanistan started in 1985. It technically could have served there, but I don't think they were ever deployed in theater; at least no EOB (Enemy Order of Battle) that I've seen ever had the artillery listed out individually.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 - 09:34 AM UTC

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Interesting. I wonder if this thing has ever seen combat?



Currently in Ukraine. I'm pretty sure they were in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Georgia too.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 - 11:47 AM UTC
That's a big model ! Are those tracks issued with the kit or are they AM ones?

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Posted: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 - 12:10 PM UTC
Here are already selling its
http://www.ebay.de/itm/400827858113?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
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Posted: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 - 01:56 PM UTC
Ukraine has several (~100) of the original 2S7 systems and is currently dusting them off to be put in service again:
http://www.armamentresearch.com/ukrainian-government-returns-2s7-pion-self-propelled-artillery-to-service/



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Posted: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 - 06:57 PM UTC
If you look on the internet there are plenty of photos of it in the Ukraine......in camo, none the less.
DerGeist
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Posted: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 - 07:43 PM UTC




How is someone selling one when the model isn't even finalized yet??
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 - 08:19 PM UTC

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How is someone selling one when the model isn't even finalized yet??


Good question.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 - 08:55 PM UTC
It says pre-order if you scroll down. Though I don't know how you pre-order something on eBay with the delivery and PayPal guarantees that are out there.
retiredyank
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Posted: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 - 02:46 AM UTC

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It says pre-order if you scroll down. Though I don't know how you pre-order something on eBay with the delivery and PayPal guarantees that are out there.


I'm not sure how you can even pre-order, without the kit being released.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 - 03:54 AM UTC
Trumpeter has already shown the contents of the box of the model, along with BMP-2 and BTR-80a
http://new2.trumpeter-china.com/index.php?g=home&m=product&a=show&id=101
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Posted: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 - 05:48 PM UTC

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It says pre-order if you scroll down. Though I don't know how you pre-order something on eBay with the delivery and PayPal guarantees that are out there.


I'm not sure how you can even pre-order, without the kit being released.


It's routinely done on eBay Germany for model kits. Haven't seen it much elsewhere.

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 - 10:03 PM UTC

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I wonder if this thing has ever seen combat?
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I'm pretty sure they were in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Georgia too.
No Chechnya, no Afghanistan - and no other places.
SINGLE combat episode with 2S7 was in August 2008 during Georgian - Osetian conflict. The Georgians used 6 examples of 2S7. During their retreat Georgian troops hid all 6 examples in Gori area. Later Russian troops found 5 vehicles; one of them was captured, and other were destroyed.
DerGeist
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Posted: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 - 10:08 PM UTC

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I wonder if this thing has ever seen combat?
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I'm pretty sure they were in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Georgia too.
No Chechnya, no Afghanistan - and no other places.
SINGLE combat episode with 2S7 was in August 2008 during Georgian - Osetian conflict. The Georgians used 6 examples of 2S7. During their retreat Georgian troops hid all 6 examples in Gori area. Later Russian troops found 5 vehicles; one of them was captured, and other were destroyed.



Huh interesting, I swear I read they participated in more combat than that. Thanks for the info.
EdCraft
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Posted: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 - 10:18 PM UTC
Well, if we talk about Afghanistan - possibly, 2S7 were there - but for combat tests only. But any exact facts about it are unknown.
And, of course, Ukrainean vehicles are in combat use today.
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Posted: Thursday, January 15, 2015 - 04:49 AM UTC
There are pictures and video of the Pion in use by the Ukrainians on the web if you look.
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