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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 08:00 PM UTC
What is pictured here ?

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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 08:05 PM UTC
I think it is a T-44, but will let the Russian armor experts weigh in.

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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 08:09 PM UTC
seems to be how it is tagged -- but it doesn't look like the T44 or T44M I have seen ,, at all .

and wasn't the 122mm separated ammo ?
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 08:37 PM UTC
T-44 prototype. That one being the T-44-122. As for the ammo, they tested one piece ammunition.


This is the T-44-85 prototype.


Both prototypes next to a T34/76


Also a T-44-100 prototype.

And a bonus T-34/100

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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 08:44 PM UTC
It looks like the "T 44" prototype with the 122 gun is a completely different , larger turret - Yeah ??

Different hull - at least at the drivers position
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 09:27 PM UTC
Any more pics of the T-44 100 prototype with the DSHK on the turret....hubba, hubba.
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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 09:38 PM UTC
Right ?!

MiniArt's release of the T 44 was my intro to it and she's quite a sexy gal .
I'm waiting for the 100's release

But then I see this huge rhino-beak 122mm on a T-44 in WOT and - no . NO .
No . wrong and hideous

So now - being a complete neophyte with Soviet armor - I am trying to figure out what is real and what isn't .

I can't tell from these pics , but even the wheel arrangements look different throughout.

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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 09:50 PM UTC

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Any more pics of the T-44 100 prototype with the DSHK on the turret....hubba, hubba.













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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 10:04 PM UTC
Oh , man !

Is this what the MiniArt kit will be ?
I hope so .

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Posted: Thursday, March 10, 2016 - 10:08 PM UTC
All right -

Thanks for the pics !

So what is the origin of the turret mounting the 122mm in the picks ?
And is that even really a " T-44 " ?
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 04:10 AM UTC
Initial production T-44 with worse driver's hatch position (on serial tanks it was moved to top of the hull making glasis a solid piece with only weak place being a driver's "peephole"). It was an experiment with mounting 122mm gun into T-44 turret but finally it turned out to be not a good idea because working conditions of the crew deteriorated and a fire rate was too low for a middle tank - IS-2 and IS-3 were much better those days in the role of big gun carriers. A task of fitting a big gun into relatively small tank without worseing of working conditions of crew and maintaining of high fire rate was solved only on T-64 with 2A26 125mm gun and autoloader. 100mm gun was tried after the war but also wasn't good for this tank making it too heavy and then again there was T-54 project in progress. So T-44 went into serial production in 1944 with good "old" 85mm gun. Couple years later a T-54 went into production with 100mm gun and even better armor.
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 04:41 AM UTC
I keep looking at this photo- the guys standing right next to it are essentially as tall as the tank. This seem wrong. I would think any tank including the T-44 would be much taller than a person. Is it a 1/2 scale mock-up? Just asking the question...
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 04:56 AM UTC
... yeah , Googly images and Wiki you need be careful of.

There's too much photoshop about .

Not sayin this is BS - I'm trying to find out without buying a bunch of literature ...
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 08:40 AM UTC

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I keep looking at this photo- the guys standing right next to it are essentially as tall as the tank. This seem wrong. I would think any tank including the T-44 would be much taller than a person. Is it a 1/2 scale mock-up? Just asking the question...



In this vid you can see how tall it is - this is the smaller turret too .
~ the 3 min mark , his shoulders are close to ( but below ) the engine deck level .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6AW7dWTrrg

....... maybe those guys at right in the pic are just giants ..
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 08:59 AM UTC
I just watched the video on YouTube, and it is not the same tank as in the first photo. The vision slot on the glacis plate is different, and the tank in the video doesn't have a muzzlebrake. The mystery continues...
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 09:06 AM UTC
The gun with the muzzle brake is the 122 mm .
The tank in the vid is the 85 mm

I guess the "T-44" utilized several different turrets and had some significant hull mods .
To be expected for sure ...........


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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 09:21 AM UTC
There is still something fishy with that photo, regardless of what type of tank it is. The ammo sitting on the fender is got to be at least 3 feet long and it is much bigger than the height of the turret. I'm not an expert on Russian tanks- whatever it is, it is really small. Like I said earlier maybe a undersized mock-up...
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 10:53 AM UTC
I hope Miniart will release BOTH the T-44/100 and the T-44/122! Those are really interesting prototypes.
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 11:10 AM UTC

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Right ?!

MiniArt's release of the T 44 was my intro to it and she's quite a sexy gal .
I'm waiting for the 100's release

But then I see this huge rhino-beak 122mm on a T-44 in WOT and - no . NO .
No . wrong and hideous

So now - being a complete neophyte with Soviet armor - I am trying to figure out what is real and what isn't .

I can't tell from these pics , but even the wheel arrangements look different throughout.




This is why I really like soviet armor, lots of amazing designs and concepts. You would be surprised how many of those WOT tanks are real, if only as single prototypes. SU-100Y,SU-14,SU-101,Object 416,T-43, SU-152-1 (bl-10) etc. Quite a few pictures of some of the exhibits at Kubinka to be found on the web. Well worth a look.


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I guess the "T-44" utilized several different turrets and had some significant hull mods .
To be expected for sure ...........





Here's another T-44 prototype with a different driver's hatch layout.
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 01:10 PM UTC
I guess this could be another view of the tank pictured in Keith's original post :



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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 06:34 PM UTC

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I just watched the video on YouTube, and it is not the same tank as in the first photo. The vision slot on the glacis plate is different, and the tank in the video doesn't have a muzzlebrake. The mystery continues...



The tank in the video is a serial production tank with driver's hatch positioned on the top of the hull and it has a turret with 85mm gun. It also has a mudflap on the glasis demounted for some reasons.
The tank on the first photo is a third pre-production sample which had driver's hatch in the glasis and turret with 122mm gun. It was an experimental machine built in a single copy.
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 06:47 PM UTC

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There is still something fishy with that photo, regardless of what type of tank it is. The ammo sitting on the fender is got to be at least 3 feet long and it is much bigger than the height of the turret. I'm not an expert on Russian tanks- whatever it is, it is really small. Like I said earlier maybe a undersized mock-up...



I have this photo in a book by Maxim Kolomiyets in bigger size. I beleive it's a real tank, not a maquette - a thing with sizes of people and tank hight is all about an angle from which a pictures has been taken and about depth of field. People are standing closer to photographer and a turret is further, being situated in the middle of a tank's hull.
122mm round is really that size - about 90cm and it's shell weighs about 25-30kg. That's why 122mm was unpractical for use on the medium tank - it was hard to play with it in a turret, and a tank could carry much less rounds.
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Posted: Friday, March 11, 2016 - 06:58 PM UTC

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I have this photo in a book by Maxim Kolomiyets in bigger size. I beleive it's a real tank, not a maquette - a thing with sizes of people and tank hight is all about an angle from which a pictures has been taken and about depth of field. People are standing closer to photographer and a turret is further, being situated in the middle of a tank's hull.
122mm round is really that size - about 90cm and it's shell weighs about 25-30kg. That's why 122mm was unpractical for use on the medium tank - it was hard to play with it in a turret, and a tank could carry much less rounds.



Indeed -- camera angle , distance etc can really change the appearance of scale .
-- and the pesky fact that people come in many sizes ..
This is why I wanted more pics or at least some verification that it's not just a photoshopped pic that has been accepted and propagated.

Thanks for all the input guys -- hopefully we will be treated to some more pics and info .

Cheers
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 - 04:16 AM UTC
This is from October , but I just now saw it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeADIaadAR8

Germane to the subject -- they show the photo in question .
Plus , the 122 T-44 next to the Panther
-- now THAT's a 'telephone pole'

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Posted: Thursday, June 02, 2016 - 03:14 PM UTC
i think one of these tanks in pics above is t 54 model 1946 or t 54 -1.note the machine guns on the fenders.and with dshk mg on cupola.
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