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Extras of small or fragile pieces
IPLawyer
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2016 - 01:02 AM UTC
I was looking through my new Asuka/Tasca Sherman kit and noticed that I will need to cut off tiny rivets from the runners to put on the inner rim of the bogies.

Furthermore, from looking at reviews of various Asuka/Tasca Sherman kits, it appears that there are exactly as many rivets as you need, i.e., no extras for when my #11 knife slips, I find out too late that my knife edge has gotten too dull and has destroyed a rivet, I lose a rivet to the carpet monster, etc.

What's particularly frustrating is because these rivets are just small bumps on the runners for the bogies, it appears the manufacturer could have molded loads of extras to take some of the "fun" and "excitement" of cutting these rivets off the runners.

I've felt similarly about various microscopic PE pieces and 1/35 scale handles, not to mention 1/48 scale handles. Given the likelihood that these pieces would be damaged or lost during assembly and their relatively small size, I wonder why manufacturers do not include extras of these pieces (I am thankful that at least some manufactures are at least include extras of the track links for individual tracks).

Admittedly, I've only been back in the hobby for 15 months or so now, so maybe my problems with these pieces are mainly because of my limited modelling skills. But surely not everyone in this hobby has jeweler-like motor coordination skills and will never develop farsightedness as they age.

Do other people ever wonder why extras of the small and fragile pieces are not provided when there are clearly room for them on the sprues and PE sheets?
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2016 - 01:15 AM UTC
Your right,they should.
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2016 - 03:24 PM UTC
It would be nice, and sometimes they do. (I seem to recall an Italeri kit with extra grab handles...)

As for those Tasca rivets, I've never bothered. A dab of crud packed into the rims hides a lot of sins! Life's too short to build my models one rivet at a time...
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2016 - 04:51 PM UTC
I would recommend going with Archer raised details.

http://www.archertransfers.com/SurfaceDetailsMain.html
They also videos on how to apply them, its easy to do.

The are many tools to make grab handles in varies sizes, length and dia. Many people will make there own, they can look nicer and not have a seam line to clean up.

As the trend these days to include bending templates or jigs in the kit for pe, etc. I would like see it expanded more to include other bits and maybe some thin wire/s and foil.

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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2016 - 05:38 PM UTC
Watch out for the hungry carpet monster!

[Designer Joshua Ben Longo was careful to make the Monster Skin Rug out of soft woolen felt, so he only feels happy when he’s lazing around somewhere on his back… ]
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2016 - 05:53 PM UTC

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. . . I will need to cut off tiny rivets from the runners to put on the inner rim of the bogies . . .

. . . there are exactly as many rivets as you need, i.e., no extras for when my #11 knife slips, I find out too late that my knife edge has gotten too dull and has destroyed a rivet . . .



Three things I've done that are helpful in this regard:

- Buy X-Acto brand #11 blades in the 100 pack so that you never have the need to keep using a dull tool.

- Buy another #1 handle; buy a pack of #17 blades, and use this exclusively for shaving parts.

- Buy another #1 handle and put a brand new #11 blade in it. Mark it to avoid confusion with your "everyday" knife and use it exclusively to "pick and place" things like rivet heads on the model, ala Zaloga.

"Having built up an inventory of rivets, I proceeded to attach them to the model. The one technique to avoid is applying liquid cement directly to the model’s surface. Even if you cut down the brush so that it has a finer tip, it is impossible to control the amount of liquid cement that flows on to the model. The result is a blob of liquid glue surrounding the rivet. The preferred approach is to put a drop of liquid glue on to a non-porous surface. I use a worn-out, single-sided razor blade. Then, using a sharp No.11 blade in my hobby knife, I pick up a rivet on the sharp tip of the balde, dip it in the drop of cement, and then transfer the rivet on to the model. This takes some practice, but I fond it is the best way. Incidentally, this technique is a very good way to attach other very small parts to tank models to control the amount of glue that reaches the surface."

KL
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2016 - 06:15 PM UTC

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It would be nice, and sometimes they do. (I seem to recall an Italeri kit with extra grab handles...)

As for those Tasca rivets, I've never bothered. A dab of crud packed into the rims hides a lot of sins! Life's too short to build my models one rivet at a time...


I agree
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2016 - 09:12 PM UTC
The model kit and PE companies feel it is hilarious to take the calming, stress reducing effects of model assembly and periodically elevate them to just below the level of bomb defusing.
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2016 - 10:38 PM UTC

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The model kit and PE companies feel it is hilarious to take the calming, stress reducing effects of model assembly and periodically elevate them to just below the level of bomb defusing.



I served as an EOD Tech. "Render safe" procedures are less stressful.

Just sayin'................
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2016 - 11:19 PM UTC

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I would recommend going with Archer raised details.

http://www.archertransfers.com/SurfaceDetailsMain.html
They also videos on how to apply them, its easy to do.

The are many tools to make grab handles in varies sizes, length and dia. Many people will make there own, they can look nicer and not have a seam line to clean up.

As the trend these days to include bending templates or jigs in the kit for pe, etc. I would like see it expanded more to include other bits and maybe some thin wire/s and foil.




I actually have the Archer 88001 assortment sheet of rivets and I can testify that they are very useful.

I was doing the Tamiya 1/48 T-34 which has grab handles with an sprue attachment point right in the middle of handle. The means that the act of removing the handle from sprue can weaken the handle, much less trying to sand off the sprue residue. In the act of repairing one of the handles with CA, so CA dripped on the surface below thereby roughing it up. In the act of sanding off the dry CA encrustation, I lost two of the rivets.

The Archer rivet decals were great replacement, and, because there are lots of them on each sheet, you can keep trying in case you lose one (the rivets are tiny) and I had to work from the side since the rivets were below the grab handle.

Regarding the thin wire, what would probably be most useful for many of us would be to know the dimensions and what gauge to use. If you have an arts and crafts store nearby, you can find cheap jewelry wire in a variety of gauges. And, in my case, usually for 40 to 50% off if you have a coupon with you.

I agree the bending templates are a good idea. I actually have one of those for some PE parts in a ship kit I have.
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Posted: Sunday, April 03, 2016 - 05:53 AM UTC

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. . . I will need to cut off tiny rivets from the runners to put on the inner rim of the bogies . . .

. . . there are exactly as many rivets as you need, i.e., no extras for when my #11 knife slips, I find out too late that my knife edge has gotten too dull and has destroyed a rivet . . .



Three things I've done that are helpful in this regard:

- Buy X-Acto brand #11 blades in the 100 pack so that you never have the need to keep using a dull tool.

- Buy another #1 handle; buy a pack of #17 blades, and use this exclusively for shaving parts.

- Buy another #1 handle and put a brand new #11 blade in it. Mark it to avoid confusion with your "everyday" knife and use it exclusively to "pick and place" things like rivet heads on the model, ala Zaloga.

"Having built up an inventory of rivets, I proceeded to attach them to the model. The one technique to avoid is applying liquid cement directly to the model’s surface. Even if you cut down the brush so that it has a finer tip, it is impossible to control the amount of liquid cement that flows on to the model. The result is a blob of liquid glue surrounding the rivet. The preferred approach is to put a drop of liquid glue on to a non-porous surface. I use a worn-out, single-sided razor blade. Then, using a sharp No.11 blade in my hobby knife, I pick up a rivet on the sharp tip of the balde, dip it in the drop of cement, and then transfer the rivet on to the model. This takes some practice, but I fond it is the best way. Incidentally, this technique is a very good way to attach other very small parts to tank models to control the amount of glue that reaches the surface."

KL



Thanks for the very helpful info.

My other major hobby is board wargaming where I've been using X-Acto blades for years to cut cardboard pieces out from their sheets, so I have several spare handles. For the same reason, I have a bunch X-Acto blades in those 15-pack boxes with the disposal slot (available at many arts and crafts store for 50% off if you have the coupon).

But, until I stopped by my local hobby store today, I did not have a pack of #17 chisel blades. I also saw a package of Glue Loopers, and, as a patent attorney in my other life, I couldn't resist picking a pack of those up as well to see if they help with the rivets and other places it would be useful to pinpoint glue.

I'm also looking forward to cleaning the dried glue off the Glue Looper using the recommended method: a butane lighter flame
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