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urumomo
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 08:25 PM UTC
First , what is the proper ,technical name for these hooks , please :
I figured I would just find some in inventory @ a rigging co. website , but they're evidently not too popular
I can't find them .
Second - I assume the artifact in the center is a retention device of some-sort to prevent the eye from falling free . ? yeah ?
so what does that thing look like up close ?
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 10:27 PM UTC
Keith,
I'm not sure these are "cable retention hooks". I could be wrong, maybe someone else has some input, but are they possibly track connectors, either Russian or German? The US uses a curved connector with an adjustable jackscrew in the middle to join the ends of track when removing or replacing the end connectors on live action track. It's used to keep the track together temporarily while changing a damaged track or replacing the entire track. The two pictured might be for track pins on "dead track" as found on Russian or German armored vehicles. They might be connected together on either side of the track, held there with a bar through the eye in the middle while a track pin was driven in or out through the hooks. I'm not an expert, so I could be wrong here, but I think that's what these are for. Perhaps someone more familiar with the German/Russian process will chime in. VR, Russ
I'm not sure these are "cable retention hooks". I could be wrong, maybe someone else has some input, but are they possibly track connectors, either Russian or German? The US uses a curved connector with an adjustable jackscrew in the middle to join the ends of track when removing or replacing the end connectors on live action track. It's used to keep the track together temporarily while changing a damaged track or replacing the entire track. The two pictured might be for track pins on "dead track" as found on Russian or German armored vehicles. They might be connected together on either side of the track, held there with a bar through the eye in the middle while a track pin was driven in or out through the hooks. I'm not an expert, so I could be wrong here, but I think that's what these are for. Perhaps someone more familiar with the German/Russian process will chime in. VR, Russ
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 10:33 PM UTC
Oh
That would explain why they aren't available from rigging hardware vendors
puts me in a better research direction , thanks
Hmmm -- if that's the case , I also need to find out what they did use to join the 50 mm tow cable eyes to the relative hooks etc .
That would explain why they aren't available from rigging hardware vendors
puts me in a better research direction , thanks
Hmmm -- if that's the case , I also need to find out what they did use to join the 50 mm tow cable eyes to the relative hooks etc .
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 10:38 PM UTC
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi9jcvCj4fMAhVGcT4KHfniCPcQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcs.finescale.com%2Ffsm%2Fmodeling_subjects%2Ff%2F3%2Ft%2F154153.aspx&psig=AFQjCNFHVmI_IJuPou_wUT6f365iiKMyfw&ust=1460482320005888
looks like that central "lobe" pivots on a pin to allow a tow cable eye to be placed over the hooked tip and then rotated back to lock it in place.
Sean
looks like that central "lobe" pivots on a pin to allow a tow cable eye to be placed over the hooked tip and then rotated back to lock it in place.
Sean
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 11:21 PM UTC
Thanks , Sean .
My next research was going to be the method for track repair .
Specifically the use of the track-rope and ....
What exactly this thing is :
-- I'm thinking pry-bar / wrench thing for track work ?
... how it is represented in the Voyager PE instructions :
' D 21 '
Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 11:37 PM UTC
Actually, I'm quite certain those are exactly what you say, Keith; towing clevises. Take a look at the photo in this thread on FSM and you can clearly see how the lug in the center pivots to allow it to attach and lock onto a cable and/or tow shackle. As the discussion in the FSM forum describes, these clevises allowed a tow cable to be attached to the tow shackle quickly without having to remove the shackle first.
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Posted: Sunday, April 10, 2016 - 11:39 PM UTC
Those are towing clevises, aka "C" hooks. They were used to secure the towing cable eye to the shackles. The center piece was rotated 90 deg. to allow inserting one end onto a shackle and the other for the eye of the towing cable; then the center part was turned back, securing both and preventing the clevis from slipping off.
Posted: Monday, April 11, 2016 - 12:00 AM UTC
As far as your second research item, that looks to my eye too long and skinny to be a track tool or pry bar. Plus pry bars (I've seen them called pinch bars also, I think) generally seem to have one squared up end with the very end being at an angle, whereas your part has one tapered end.
Just what it looks like to me, but there's bound to be someone out there to correct me.
Just what it looks like to me, but there's bound to be someone out there to correct me.
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Posted: Monday, April 11, 2016 - 12:13 AM UTC
I'm wondering if it has something to do with the gun then , since it's stowed just outside the fighting compartment .
Though that may be just where it 'fit'
The kit part does have a 'pointed' end .. ?
Though that may be just where it 'fit'
The kit part does have a 'pointed' end .. ?
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Posted: Monday, April 11, 2016 - 12:19 AM UTC
That second item is an antenna storage tube.
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Posted: Monday, April 11, 2016 - 12:24 AM UTC
Ah --
Indeed . That would explain the ubiquitous absence of antennas in all the Jagdtiger pics I see
I guess it's normally stowed ?
Seems that you would want the radio available 100% of the time
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urumomo
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Posted: Monday, April 11, 2016 - 12:36 AM UTC
OOPs -- I confused the parts
That's definitely a pinch-bar , D7
Certainly has angled head :
But now I know what the other is
Sorry for the confusion -- I'll take that off your bill ...
... wondering why the part and drawing are so disparate .
Dummy
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Posted: Monday, April 11, 2016 - 02:39 AM UTC
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That's definitely a pinch-bar ... wondering why the part and drawing are so disparate.
They look fine to me. The clamps in the illustration may be slightly smaller than on the part, but not by much.
KL
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Posted: Monday, April 11, 2016 - 06:30 PM UTC
So I guess we're going with " CLEVIS " ?
That was the word in my head when I first started this quest but the dictionary said that these ' C-hooks ' don't meet the definition for ' clevis ' .
... Oh well , at least I don't need to add any detail to them , they pretty much look like the real-deal
Thanks for all the input