I have just checked the Luckymodel.com website to see what new models they recieved today
I've noticed the prices of new models from Trumpeter are going mad!!
Smerch -$60.99
MTLB - $60.99
Not to mention other kits...i think they lost it...
If you compare their prices to Takom/ Tiger models/RFM, trumpeter's is at least 10-20 USD more expensive.
Soon it will be cheaper to buy diamonds...
I always thought that Tamiya is expensive...
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Did Trumpeter lost the plot???
Onkos1
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 12:14 PM UTC
GazzaS
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 12:28 PM UTC
Maybe you were loking at the cost in Aussie, NZ, or Canadian dollars?
Onkos1
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 01:18 PM UTC
I didn't mention the postage. That's the price for the kit.
I understand if they have a full interior, but even then they well over priced...
I understand if they have a full interior, but even then they well over priced...
Byrden
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 01:28 PM UTC
LOSE.
Did Trumpeter LOSE the plot.
Bear in mind that the Chinese market for models is very large, and what they're doing could make sense there.
David
Did Trumpeter LOSE the plot.
Bear in mind that the Chinese market for models is very large, and what they're doing could make sense there.
David
Onkos1
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 01:56 PM UTC
How do you explain the price diferrences between trumpeter, meng, takom, tiger, rfm?
Trumpeter is the most expensive
Meng best quality
RFM most detailed
Takom and tiger best value for money
That's how I see it
Trumpeter is the most expensive
Meng best quality
RFM most detailed
Takom and tiger best value for money
That's how I see it
David1988
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 02:10 PM UTC
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I have just checked the Luckymodel.com website to see what new models they recieved today
I've noticed the prices of new models from Trumpeter are going mad!!
Smerch -$60.99
MTLB - $60.99
Not to mention other kits...i think they lost it...
If you compare their prices to Takom/ Tiger models/RFM, trumpeter's is at least 10-20 USD more expensive.
Soon it will be cheaper to buy diamonds...
I always thought that Tamiya is expensive...
I would reasonably expect a kit of something as big and complex as the Smerch to cost substantially more than smaller simpler vehicles of the same scale. I also imagine Trumpeter reduced the price of their Smerch to compete with Meng.
I wonder what has pushed up the price of the MTLB, maybe there is lots of photo etch or something.
Edit: Just had a look. I imagine the parts count of 1100 including individual links and 3 PE frets have something to do with the sale price.
ijozic
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 02:23 PM UTC
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Edit: Just had a look. I imagine the parts count of 1100 including individual links and 3 PE frets have something to do with the sale price.
Some of the recent releases were rather expensive, like e.g. the SA-8. I wonder if some of these kits have a more limited run than others so they are thus higher priced?
It also helps when there's no competition for a certain kit so perhaps they are trying to increase the profits? I've always wondered how can they afford to churn out so many kits never kitted before by a major company in such a relatively short time span..
David1988
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 02:26 PM UTC
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Quoted TextEdit: Just had a look. I imagine the parts count of 1100 including individual links and 3 PE frets have something to do with the sale price.
Some of the recent releases were rather expensive, like e.g. the SA-8. I wonder if some of these kits have a more limited run than others so they are thus higher priced?
Yeah, that is probably involved. . . . The SA-8 also had that beautiful PE surface for the radar which I think probably put the price up a lot, it's probably a huge part. . .
Onkos1
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 02:49 PM UTC
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I imagine the parts count of 1100 including individual links and 3 PE frets have something to do with the sale price.
that's another thing. 1100 parts. and only 70 to build the vehicle rest are tracks...that's how they are trying to fool us.
"LOOK 1100 PARTS!!!!! WOW!!!!
How do you justify the fact that Meng's M2A3 with full interior costs around $50, and MTLB with engine $60.99????
i love building models and I will carry on, but I don't like when someone is trying to fool me.
slug955
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 04:04 PM UTC
No real surprise when Trumpeter see folks are willing to pay Dragons prices. Dragon is the going rate. Personally I have never paid Dragons shop price, I wait for the kits to appear on Ebay at reduced prices as a result of buyers remorse. Like for like Dragon are still way more than Trumpeter, just look at the likes of the Leopold and Karls.
ijozic
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 04:16 PM UTC
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that's another thing. 1100 parts. and only 70 to build the vehicle rest are tracks...that's how they are trying to fool us.
"LOOK 1100 PARTS!!!!! WOW!!!!
How do you justify the fact that Meng's M2A3 with full interior costs around $50, and MTLB with engine $60.99????
i love building models and I will carry on, but I don't like when someone is trying to fool me.
Perhaps it's just a normal economic development of a company. When the company is relatively new, it needs to expand its market share so it cuts down on its profits. Once the market share is attained, it's time to get some of that investment back.
I do agree that the MTLB seems overpriced (but so was e.g. 2S1 given its size and number of parts), so I'll wait for an ebay deal.
vettejack
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 05:07 PM UTC
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No real surprise when Trumpeter see folks are willing to pay Dragons prices. Dragon is the going rate. Personally I have never paid Dragons shop price, I wait for the kits to appear on Ebay at reduced prices as a result of buyers remorse. Like for like Dragon are still way more than Trumpeter, just look at the likes of the Leopold and Karls.
I've mentioned this quite a few times here: if your stash is large enough to accommodate your building for a year or more, then purchasing that 'new' kit down the road will eventually save you money in the long run. Those new kits today will be there a year from now...and yes, EBay is usually where they are found...at times 50% or more discounted than MSRP. In rare, extreme cases, do I purchase new kits the day of release, and that's usually due to the maker claiming limited production...
Hisham
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 05:10 PM UTC
To me, the interesting part is not the MTLB being overpriced.. but rather that the Smerch is underpriced specifically to hurt the sales of MENG's Smerch... Had MENG not done the Smerch, Trumpeter would have sold theirs for $80, or more, like the SA-8 and other kits which are comparable in size... And that's what they did with the SCUD.. making MENG cancel theirs because they could never sell it for Trumpeter's price... Same thing with HobbyBoss's Nagmachon.. offered at $35, while the SMALL VBL sells for $35.. and the Puma (which is basically a Centurion chassis - sans the dog house) for $47... again, only to hurt the sales of Tiger-Model's Nagmachon
Now, I doubt that Trumpeter actually sold the Smerch and the Nagmachon at a loss.. I'm sure they still made some kind of profit on them.. which means, at least to me, that all those new kits could be sold for less than what they are going for - whenever the company feels like it simply to hurt another company's sales.. So, in a lot of instances, we are actually paying maybe $20 or $30 more than what a kit's fair price really is.
A Nagmachon with competition sells for $35, while a Puma (less parts) with no competition sells for $47
OF course, all of this could just be in my imagination
Hisham
Now, I doubt that Trumpeter actually sold the Smerch and the Nagmachon at a loss.. I'm sure they still made some kind of profit on them.. which means, at least to me, that all those new kits could be sold for less than what they are going for - whenever the company feels like it simply to hurt another company's sales.. So, in a lot of instances, we are actually paying maybe $20 or $30 more than what a kit's fair price really is.
A Nagmachon with competition sells for $35, while a Puma (less parts) with no competition sells for $47
OF course, all of this could just be in my imagination
Hisham
Hellrabbit
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 05:14 PM UTC
Before post this, please check what this kit has: it has complete inside detail including gearbox, driver cabin, and engine, all comes from TM, and also including a workable track inside the kit. So.....what is the point to complaing?
Hellrabbit
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 05:17 PM UTC
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don't forget the one piece multi-slide molded upper and lower hull, besides,,mtlb has complete interior including gearbox and engine.....and workable track links. I don't see any point the kit is over prices. If you think this is over priced...check the separate sold Meng t-72/90 engine and tracks. It is a real WOW.Quoted TextQuoted TextEdit: Just had a look. I imagine the parts count of 1100 including individual links and 3 PE frets have something to do with the sale price.
Some of the recent releases were rather expensive, like e.g. the SA-8. I wonder if some of these kits have a more limited run than others so they are thus higher priced?
Yeah, that is probably involved. . . . The SA-8 also had that beautiful PE surface for the radar which I think probably put the price up a lot, it's probably a huge part. . .
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 05:32 PM UTC
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How do you justify the fact that Meng's M2A3 with full interior costs around $50, and MTLB with engine $60.99????
Trumpeter doesn't have to justify anything. They have chosen to sell their product at $61. If you don't like it, I'm sure there are plenty of SKIF kits available for much less.
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i love building models and I will carry on, but I don't like when someone is trying to fool me.
No one is trying to fool you. They are freely showing and correctly describing the product they are offering for sale. There is no trickery, deceit, or fraud involved. You simply don't like their asking price. Tough [auto-censored].
KL
SEDimmick
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 05:41 PM UTC
One thing I have noticed it seems like odd-ball releases that wouldn't expect sell as well as something more mainstream are often more expensive MSRP wise.
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 06:03 PM UTC
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To me, the interesting part is not the MTLB being overpriced.. but rather that the Smerch is underpriced specifically to hurt the sales of MENG's Smerch...
There's another way of looking at this Hisham. You could say Trumpeter lowered the price on their Smerch when the Meng kit came out in order to keep it competitive. It's the free market at work.
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I'm sure they still made some kind of profit on them.. which means, at least to me, that all those new kits could be sold for less than what they are going for - whenever the company feels like it simply to hurt another company's sales.. So, in a lot of instances, we are actually paying maybe $20 or $30 more than what a kit's fair price really is.
Oh come on now, what right do we have as consumers to decide how much profit a company can make, especially when we have no factual basis for understanding their costs? We are talking about luxury toys, not food. The only "fair" price in this market is what an individual buyer and seller agree upon for a single transaction.
This hobby market has only three rules:
The seller decides what he wants to charge.
The buyer decides what he wants to pay.
If they can't agree there is no sale.
I would however, like to propose a new rule for discussions like these:
Before anyone can post that a company is making too much profit or that the cost of their products isn't "justified", they must first post certified reports of the company's annual debt service payments and capital depreciation charges.
You might then wonder if someone who doesn't even know what those terms mean should be spouting off about an allowable profit margin.
Exactly.
Now this isn't to say that people shouldn't write that "the hobby is getting too expensive for me" or "I don't think think that kit's a good value" compared to something else. Those are individual opinions based on individual circumstances, not an insistence that the market type be changed just for your own benefit.
KL
ericadeane
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 06:38 PM UTC
Kurt: there you go again -- tossing water on a perfectly good rant/counter-rant furball with your facts again!
Curse you Laughlin!
Curse you Laughlin!
pstansell
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 06:46 PM UTC
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Kurt: there you go again -- tossing water on a perfectly good rant/counter-rant furball with your facts again!
Curse you Laughlin!
You're right, Roy. Using logic and common sense is no way to win an argument!
BTW, there has been a similar thread on this same subject on Facebook.
Pat
MMiR
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 06:52 PM UTC
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Quoted TextKurt: there you go again -- tossing water on a perfectly good rant/counter-rant furball with your facts again!
Curse you Laughlin!
You're right, Roy. Using logic and common sense is no way to win an argument!
BTW, there has been a similar thread on this same subject on Facebook.
Pat
MMiR
Using logic and common sense is very near to cheating
TerancekW
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 07:07 PM UTC
Trumpeter sell the kit at factory price to wholesaler. The wholesaler sell at wholesale price to retailer (lucky model) and luck model sell at retailing price to you. So you can see a kit is selling at USD15.00 in China, USD50 in USA retail store and USD 20 in ebay.
The only thing Trumpeter can control is the factory price not the retailing price.
The only thing Trumpeter can control is the factory price not the retailing price.
thathaway3
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 07:36 PM UTC
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Kurt: there you go again -- tossing water on a perfectly good rant/counter-rant furball with your facts again!
Curse you Laughlin!
As an old boss of mine used to say, "Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up!"
Hisham
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 07:43 PM UTC
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especially when we have no factual basis for understanding their costs?
That's why I used the example of the HobbyBoss Nagmachon and Puma.. both by HobbyBoss.. both released around the same time.. both have the same basic Centurion chassis.. except the puma has no "tower" and the Nagmachon has the doghouse, which means it has more parts - and it does.. BUT, the Nagmachon sells for $11 less? I guess that's pretty logical and factual and "common sensical"
Oh, I think "hurting the sales of the competition" and "keeping things competitive" are pretty much the same thing.. and a legitimate part of any business... It's just maybe a "nicer" way of saying the same thing
As for how much profit they decide they want to make.. I have no business telling manufacturers how much they "should" profit.. I guess you missed my point.. that's OK, I guess my English is a little lacking... my whole point is - so many modelers complain about why Trumpeter's prices are high, while MENG can keep their prices lower - and I'm saying that prices have very little to do with the actual cost.. and a lot more to do with what the manufacturers feel they can sell their products for - which is absolutely their right by the way.. but a lot of people don't seem to understand this.
In the end, I personally couldn't care less about prices and all that stuff.... If I like it, I buy it.. and life stays simple for me
Hisham
SEDimmick
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 08:28 PM UTC
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In the end, I personally couldn't care less about prices and all that stuff.... If I like it, I buy it.. and life stays simple for me
Hisham
People aren't happy unless they are complaining
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