It's designed by somebody named J-shape on Shapeways. Looks quite good.
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Anyone see this? 3D printed M2
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 11:54 AM UTC
Has anyone seen this yet? It's a 3D printed M2HB in a M32 mount and it looks REALLY good.
It's designed by somebody named J-shape on Shapeways. Looks quite good.
It's designed by somebody named J-shape on Shapeways. Looks quite good.
Maki
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 02:50 PM UTC
We run a news story on J-Shape last year. Since then they have a lot of products released but I'm a bit puzzled with their offerings as I don't know if those are sold as 3D printed parts or resin... Their site suggests ordering from Shapeways, but Hobby Easy lists the products as resin.
Anyone has any first-hand experience with them?
Mario
Anyone has any first-hand experience with them?
Mario
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 03:54 PM UTC
First - this cad total wrong
Two - its polish example for demo picture
I have a mountain of differet parts prited on 3d systems 3510, that shapeways used in maximum resolution. Its full trash
"looks REALLY good" can that speaks who doesn't understand anything in cad and in weapons or simpy blind fan to write at forums
Now there is no printer capable to give the acceptable quality of such details. As soon as he appears I will lie on a sofa both to print and not to know any difficulties with a manufacture. But now he is absent. All the other - speculation of laymans
Two - its polish example for demo picture
I have a mountain of differet parts prited on 3d systems 3510, that shapeways used in maximum resolution. Its full trash
"looks REALLY good" can that speaks who doesn't understand anything in cad and in weapons or simpy blind fan to write at forums
Now there is no printer capable to give the acceptable quality of such details. As soon as he appears I will lie on a sofa both to print and not to know any difficulties with a manufacture. But now he is absent. All the other - speculation of laymans
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 05:29 PM UTC
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First - this cad total wrong
Two - its polish example for demo picture
I have a mountain of differet parts prited on 3d systems 3510, that shapeways used in maximum resolution. Its full trash
"looks REALLY good" can that speaks who doesn't understand anything in cad and in weapons or simpy blind fan to write at forums
Now there is no printer capable to give the acceptable quality of such details. As soon as he appears I will lie on a sofa both to print and not to know any difficulties with a manufacture. But now he is absent. All the other - speculation of laymans
I like the LIVE RESIN M2s- I'm sure that LIVE RESIN's M2s will cost substantially LESS money than any "3-D Printed" M2 out there...
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 06:03 PM UTC
Maki, they sell through Shapeways but they also have the same printer that they use in house. I guess they print parts on that printer to sell with Hobby Easy as well.
First- This is not a CAD. This is a picture of the real product.
Second- I take it you're trying to insult me by saying that I know nothing of CAD? Am I correct? I neither know nothing about CAD or am a fan. I simply saw this while browsing Shapeways and wanted to put it and see if anyone knew of it. And I do know at least a little bit of CAD since I'm working in it almost every day... I use Inventor and Fusion 360 on an almost daily basis and I've used AutoCAD for a few years. I've attempted to use Blender, 3DS Max and Rhinoceros 6 before buy unfortunately had a very difficult time in those. I'm currently going through Solid Edge 2D Drafting and learning how to use that program. I'm not sure if you've noticed buy I have a little thread running where I've been gathering ideas for stuff to design... I've then put it in my Shapeways shop.... I wouldn't do that if I had no experience in CAD now would I?
I'll pick a set of these up and see what they're like.
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First - this cad total wrong
Two - its polish example for demo picture
I have a mountain of differet parts prited on 3d systems 3510, that shapeways used in maximum resolution. Its full trash
"looks REALLY good" can that speaks who doesn't understand anything in cad and in weapons or simpy blind fan to write at forums
Now there is no printer capable to give the acceptable quality of such details. As soon as he appears I will lie on a sofa both to print and not to know any difficulties with a manufacture. But now he is absent. All the other - speculation of laymans
First- This is not a CAD. This is a picture of the real product.
Second- I take it you're trying to insult me by saying that I know nothing of CAD? Am I correct? I neither know nothing about CAD or am a fan. I simply saw this while browsing Shapeways and wanted to put it and see if anyone knew of it. And I do know at least a little bit of CAD since I'm working in it almost every day... I use Inventor and Fusion 360 on an almost daily basis and I've used AutoCAD for a few years. I've attempted to use Blender, 3DS Max and Rhinoceros 6 before buy unfortunately had a very difficult time in those. I'm currently going through Solid Edge 2D Drafting and learning how to use that program. I'm not sure if you've noticed buy I have a little thread running where I've been gathering ideas for stuff to design... I've then put it in my Shapeways shop.... I wouldn't do that if I had no experience in CAD now would I?
I'll pick a set of these up and see what they're like.
ComaBlack
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 06:44 PM UTC
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First - this cad total wrong
Two - its polish example for demo picture
I have a mountain of differet parts prited on 3d systems 3510, that shapeways used in maximum resolution. Its full trash
"looks REALLY good" can that speaks who doesn't understand anything in cad and in weapons or simpy blind fan to write at forums
Now there is no printer capable to give the acceptable quality of such details. As soon as he appears I will lie on a sofa both to print and not to know any difficulties with a manufacture. But now he is absent. All the other - speculation of laymans
Unprofessional to attack potential competitors on a public forum like this. If the details are inaccurate, someone will mention it.
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 06:51 PM UTC
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Unprofessional to attack potential competitors on a public forum like this. If the details are inaccurate, someone will mention it.
And previous and potential customer(s).
CDK
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 07:05 PM UTC
I'd venture a guess it might have a little bit to do with a language barrier and an translator program, speaking a second language and writing in that language are two completely different things.
Biggles2
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 07:49 PM UTC
I've bought several items from Shapeways, in various scales, and by different designers, and all the items have noticeable to really detail-destroying printing layer textures. Nothing is ever as smooth or as clean as a resin casting. It is suggested to sand the parts, but on something as detailed and as small as a 1/35 M2, it may be impossible. Reedoak seems to use a much higher quality printer (and much more expensive!) with finer printing layers and result in higher quality figures. 
accelr8
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 08:35 PM UTC
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First - this cad total wrong
Two - its polish example for demo picture
I have a mountain of differet parts prited on 3d systems 3510, that shapeways used in maximum resolution. Its full trash
"looks REALLY good" can that speaks who doesn't understand anything in cad and in weapons or simpy blind fan to write at forums
Now there is no printer capable to give the acceptable quality of such details. As soon as he appears I will lie on a sofa both to print and not to know any difficulties with a manufacture. But now he is absent. All the other - speculation of laymans
I have many Live Resin sets in my possession, and i also have products from J-Shape. One reason i decided to buy from J-Shape is because the lower spade grips on EVERY ONE of my Live Resin M2s are broken in the package due to a design/packaging flaw. I brought this up in the past, and my suggestion that the design could be improved was brushed off. So i found another vendor. I can confirm that J-Shape items are printed with high resolution. I have several of their M2s along with M60s and M60Ds, and for the most part the printed lines are not terribly offensive and disappear under a coat of primer/paint. Their M2s are not quite as good and not as crisp as the LR offerings, but they also don't arrive with broken spade grips since it's a separate part. Their M60s though are superb, with impossibly thin details on the folded bipod legs and folded sights.
Yaroslav, i agree with the others that it's highly unprofessional to trash a competitor in a public forum such as this. If anything, you should look at what your competitors are doing and innovate your products to stay on the cutting edge.
barkingdigger
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 09:12 PM UTC
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First- This is not a CAD. This is a picture of the real product.
Hi Mike,
Are you sure these aren't CAD renders? They have that subtle CAD-lighting feel to them if you ask me. I did have a look at his products, and they are enticing, but from my own experience of resolution & print lines on SW products I cannot see how he can get all of the finer details successfully printed in any of the SW materials. (Those holes in the barrel-change handle where it wraps around the barrel are a case in point.) I'd love to see pics of the real things once you receive them!
Aside from that, I too deplore the trashing of competitors on our forums! Lets all keep it cordial, folks.
accelr8
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 09:27 PM UTC
Not a CAD. See the fine print lines showing on the ammo can tray? As i mentioned, i have more than a few of these sets and the picture is representative of what an assembled example looks like, with a little clean up on the barrel sleeve holes. The builder also forgot to remove one of the molded supports on the spade grips. You can see it on the left hand example.
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 09:30 PM UTC
This is the same type of picture with the M32 mount:
From what I see in the picture, I would think that this is a picture of the finished product.
Here is his CAD render of the M2 set:
From what I see in the picture, I would think that this is a picture of the finished product.
Here is his CAD render of the M2 set:
ericadeane
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 09:49 PM UTC
The J Shape item that interested me was the earlier, slotted collar M2 HB. Drop that on an M3A1 Scout Car!
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 12:31 AM UTC
[quote]This is the same type of picture with the M32 mount:
From what I see in the picture, I would think that this is a picture of the finished product.
If that is the final product , i would not be happy to get it as you see the lines from the 3D printing so it can not have been the best printers.. I would go for the resin quality like live resin instead as they are so much more fine.. But that is my opinion..
And i think Kent Abrams are right, it's not so easy to write in another language perfect , it's easy that it be missunderstandings ..
From what I see in the picture, I would think that this is a picture of the finished product.
If that is the final product , i would not be happy to get it as you see the lines from the 3D printing so it can not have been the best printers.. I would go for the resin quality like live resin instead as they are so much more fine.. But that is my opinion..
And i think Kent Abrams are right, it's not so easy to write in another language perfect , it's easy that it be missunderstandings ..
barkingdigger
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 02:12 AM UTC
Well I'm willing to eat crow! I can see the print lines on the ammo trays. He must have used a thin black wash to highlight all the details...
One thing I do notice in this hobby is how we are all microscope-viewers nowadays. Those print lines are probably invisible to the Mk 1 Eyeball at any reasonable viewing distance, and in the past we'd think the model was brilliant, but now that we all have the power of a macro lens in our phones we expect the details to be perfect at almost a sub-atomic level. Doesn't bode well for MY standard of building...
One thing I do notice in this hobby is how we are all microscope-viewers nowadays. Those print lines are probably invisible to the Mk 1 Eyeball at any reasonable viewing distance, and in the past we'd think the model was brilliant, but now that we all have the power of a macro lens in our phones we expect the details to be perfect at almost a sub-atomic level. Doesn't bode well for MY standard of building...
accelr8
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 02:41 AM UTC
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One thing I do notice in this hobby is how we are all microscope-viewers nowadays. Those print lines are probably invisible to the Mk 1 Eyeball at any reasonable viewing distance, and in the past we'd think the model was brilliant, but now that we all have the power of a macro lens in our phones we expect the details to be perfect at almost a sub-atomic level.
Agreed. These pictures are blown up to 8-10x actual size. Once you get a coat of primer or paint on, the print lines are hardly visible to the naked eye. I'll continue to vouch for the product because IMO it is very well done and priced decently also.
With the current glut of well detailed M2s on the market, how about someone doing one with the blank firing adapter on? That should be well within the capabilities of one of the CAD wizards.
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 05:04 AM UTC
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Actually those lines are on the order of a couple dozen microns. If those were printed in Shapeways' Frosted Extreme Detail material, the layers are about 16 microns thick. 1 micron is 0.001 mm. That's 1 thousandth of a millimeter. So each layer is about 0.016mm thick. That's smaller than the resolution of the human eye at 25mm. The minimum resolution of the eye (the smallest object the eye can see) at a 25mm distance from an object is about 29.1 microns. And that is an eye with perfect vision. This picture was probably taken with macro lens with a very high resolution.
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This is the same type of picture with the M32 mount:
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From what I see in the picture, I would think that this is a picture of the finished product.
If that is the final product , i would not be happy to get it as you see the lines from the 3D printing so it can not have been the best printers.. I would go for the resin quality like live resin instead as they are so much more fine.. But that is my opinion..
And i think Kent Abrams are right, it's not so easy to write in another language perfect , it's easy that it be missunderstandings ..
Actually those lines are on the order of a couple dozen microns. If those were printed in Shapeways' Frosted Extreme Detail material, the layers are about 16 microns thick. 1 micron is 0.001 mm. That's 1 thousandth of a millimeter. So each layer is about 0.016mm thick. That's smaller than the resolution of the human eye at 25mm. The minimum resolution of the eye (the smallest object the eye can see) at a 25mm distance from an object is about 29.1 microns. And that is an eye with perfect vision. This picture was probably taken with macro lens with a very high resolution.
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 05:35 AM UTC
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First - this cad total wrong
Two - its polish example for demo picture
I have a mountain of differet parts prited on 3d systems 3510, that shapeways used in maximum resolution. Its full trash
"looks REALLY good" can that speaks who doesn't understand anything in cad and in weapons or simpy blind fan to write at forums
Now there is no printer capable to give the acceptable quality of such details. As soon as he appears I will lie on a sofa both to print and not to know any difficulties with a manufacture. But now he is absent. All the other - speculation of laymans
Mr. Live-Resin..trying to read your english gives me sore eyes
This is J Shape works website...
http://www.shapeways.com/shops/j-shape
Biggles2
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 10:38 PM UTC
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Mr. Live-Resin..trying to read your english gives me sore eyes
This is J Shape works website...
http://www.shapeways.com/shops/j-shape
Well we can't all be Canadians, eh?
Biggles2
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 10:39 PM UTC
I wish Shapeways displayed pics of the actual printed product instead of the CAD rendering. CAD's can often be VERY misleading.
barkingdigger
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 10:51 PM UTC
I hear ya Biggles, but Shapeways is only a platform. It is up to the individual "shop owner" to upload suitable pictures for their SW products. (SW only offers standard CAD renders themselves...)
As a SW "shop owner" myself, I do take good digital photos of my printed products and upload them before my items are offered for sale, but too many other folks don't seem to bother. Maybe they don't order any test prints first? Who knows...
As a SW "shop owner" myself, I do take good digital photos of my printed products and upload them before my items are offered for sale, but too many other folks don't seem to bother. Maybe they don't order any test prints first? Who knows...
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 11:32 PM UTC
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As a SW "shop owner" myself, I do take good digital photos of my printed products and upload them before my items are offered for sale, but too many other folks don't seem to bother. Maybe they don't order any test prints first? Who knows...
I'm in the boat of not ordering test prints. Unfortunately I can't afford it. I pay very close attention to that post-processing heat map to determine what needs to change, though. Although that occasionally doesn't work.
matt
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 11:38 PM UTC
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I'm in the boat of not ordering test prints. Unfortunately I can't afford it. I pay very close attention to that post-processing heat map to determine what needs to change, though. Although that occasionally doesn't work.
I'm with Mike, I just can't afford to order every one of my Designs first. Plus I've been doing a lot of custom stuff for guys, that I have No use for.
barkingdigger
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Posted: Friday, May 06, 2016 - 02:23 AM UTC
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Quoted TextI'm in the boat of not ordering test prints. Unfortunately I can't afford it. I pay very close attention to that post-processing heat map to determine what needs to change, though. Although that occasionally doesn't work.
I'm with Mike, I just can't afford to order every one of my Designs first. Plus I've been doing a lot of custom stuff for guys, that I have No use for.
I hear you on the commission stuff - those I don't order because I too have no use for them. But then those are shipped to the customer as STL files, so they get to do the test prints and tell me if it fails!
But if it is something I intend to offer for sale it is usually something I needed for one of my builds, so I ordered it already. The way I see it, the SW sales help pay off my hobby purchases...
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