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trumpheter JS-2M to Js-2?
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Posted: Monday, May 09, 2016 - 09:58 AM UTC
can you alter the trumpheter JS-2m to Js-2?
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Posted: Monday, May 09, 2016 - 12:42 PM UTC
Unlikely, surely easier to go with a Tamiya or Dragon JS-2
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Posted: Monday, May 09, 2016 - 02:27 PM UTC
From what I've seen Trumpy screwed up in many areas of their IS family. You'll have to work hard to make it look decent, it isn't worthwhile IMHO. Go with Tamiya!!!
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Posted: Monday, May 09, 2016 - 06:25 PM UTC
Why would you? The Tamyia Js-2 kit is pretty much perfect. You seriously dont need anything else. Plus it's definitely cheaper than a brand new Trumpeter release will be.
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Posted: Monday, May 09, 2016 - 07:55 PM UTC

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From what I've seen Trumpy screwed up in many areas of their IS family. You'll have to work hard to make it look decent, it isn't worthwhile IMHO. Go with Tamiya!!!

Any evidence or proof? Thanks.
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Posted: Monday, May 09, 2016 - 07:56 PM UTC

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Why would you? The Tamyia Js-2 kit is pretty much perfect. You seriously dont need anything else. Plus it's definitely cheaper than a brand new Trumpeter release will be.

If you call that turret is perfect......
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Posted: Monday, May 09, 2016 - 10:18 PM UTC

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From what I've seen Trumpy screwed up in many areas of their IS family. You'll have to work hard to make it look decent, it isn't worthwhile IMHO. Go with Tamiya!!!

Any evidence or proof? Thanks.


1) They use larger diameter postwar road wheel hub caps with 10 bolts.
2) The mud scrapers are of postwar type as well.
3) Commander's cupola is round, not oblong as it should be...

Those are only the most evident inaccuracies, the list is far longer.

All this is in their IS-1 kit which is supposed to represent the very early examples. Knowing Trumpeter's reputation and approach to research and producing kits in general, do you expect them to change anything in their next release?
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Posted: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 - 03:48 AM UTC

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From what I've seen Trumpy screwed up in many areas of their IS family. You'll have to work hard to make it look decent, it isn't worthwhile IMHO. Go with Tamiya!!!

Any evidence or proof? Thanks.


1) They use larger diameter postwar road wheel hub caps with 10 bolts.
2) The mud scrapers are of postwar type as well.
3) Commander's cupola is round, not oblong as it should be...

Those are only the most evident inaccuracies, the list is far longer.

All this is in their IS-1 kit which is supposed to represent the very early examples. Knowing Trumpeter's reputation and approach to research and producing kits in general, do you expect them to change anything in their next release?

one of the full JS-1 blueprint Trumpeter used in their project..this is the hatch you mentioned. what do you think?
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Posted: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 - 01:13 PM UTC
From the look of it I don't think it is a blueprint they used for production of actual vehicles at the factory. All commander cupolas were oval in shape, some more, some less, with vision slits of various length and shape. Here is a selection of images to show CCs from different manufacturers:

http://tigerscorner.ru/gallery/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=73:-1-2-&catid=34:2010-12-02-12-49-34&Itemid=53

And here is a clearer plan view:
http://www.tigerscorner.ru/index.php?topic=131.30

And the drawing of turret roof section:
http://panzer35.ru/forum/47-13311-1

Generally, it is believed that average CC was 90x98 cm (25.5x28 mm in scale).

An image of standard and postwar road wheel for your consideration:
http://panzer35.ru/forum/47-14340-2

Cheers, Paul.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 - 01:28 PM UTC
By the way, the mud scrapers in their IS-1 kit are OK, but the return rollers of this particular type should have no lightening holes in them, whereas they have...and driver's movable visor should be closer to front upper plate top, not its bottom.
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Posted: Tuesday, May 10, 2016 - 02:33 PM UTC
thank's for the image,it gave me greater clarity.
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