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Bronco: Rheinbote RH.Z.61/9Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 12:29 AM UTC
Well there is already claims and counter claims over this announced released of a German Rheinmetall Long Range Rocket Rheinbote RH.Z.61/9 and Launcher by Bronco Models. So I have taken the time to provide decent sized images of the details provided to us.
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Hisham
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 01:05 AM UTC
Why do people keep doing this? As soon as a plastic manufacturer announces a kit of something that has been done in resin before, people start saying that it is copy of the resin one! I remember a few years ago when Hobbyboss was accused of copying the "DANA".. and some people were absolutely sure of it.. until it was released and people started building it, and they all said that it was engineered totally differently than the resin one... YET, it continues to happen
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slug955
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 01:14 AM UTC
The only known use (Antwerp) and photos show the missile being fired from the Meilerwagon (sp) not Flak 41 carriage as Michael Baldeweg depicted it. May or may not be a case of parallel thinking. I can't recall how Cromwell Models configured theirs. There is an awful lot of unsupported missile in this configuration.
ULIX-VM
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 02:28 AM UTC
if possible to launch rockets to the moon.
Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 03:59 AM UTC
I compared the CAD drawings from Bronco, thanks Darren, to the images the claims were his master, and the Bronco kit is nothing like his master.
maartenboersma
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 03:59 AM UTC
If it came with a Meillerwagen i would have bought it.
thehermit
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 05:35 AM UTC
Does it REALLY matter...?!! If you like it...buy it and build it. If not....you know the drill...! If this sort of nit-picking went on way back when modeling got started..well...it wouldn't have got started...!! I agree with Hisham TOTALLY.
gusstaff
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Posted: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 - 10:51 AM UTC
Here is a photo of the missile, apparently based on flak41 without protection of personnel. http://2iemeguerre.ca/blindes/rheinbote.htm
varanusk
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 01:20 PM UTC
Anyone has a clearer photo of this configuration? Although it seems it has been used, I have not been able to find photo evidence
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 02:01 PM UTC
This is definitely a very interesting piece of... Arms. Looks pretty cool too.
slug955
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 02:21 PM UTC
Appears this kit is slated for a June release. We shall see what we shall see.....
V-2Rocket
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2016 - 12:26 AM UTC
Slug 955 you write "There is an awful lot of unsupported missile in this configuration"
That is correct look at the pictures if you can in the number of Now and Then on the Rheinbote
That is correct look at the pictures if you can in the number of Now and Then on the Rheinbote
V-2Rocket
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2016 - 12:38 AM UTC
Varanusk the rheinbote is only used operational in the configuration with the Meillerwagen They did fire from the Nunspeet area in Holland towards Antwerp. firing periode from end of 1944 until januari 1945. greetings Bert
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2016 - 01:18 AM UTC
V2 Rocket. It was a 4 stage missile. A lot of stress would occur at the join between stages. I think the Meillerwagon makes more sense, being longer and able to give more support. Having said that I will still buy one! I have the Rheintochter.
Mongo13
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2016 - 03:24 AM UTC
Would the Meillerwagen from Wespe models work or is it completely different?
brekinapez
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2016 - 04:48 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Would the Meillerwagen from Wespe models work or is it completely different?
I have been checking out the Wespe meilerwagen for a Dragon V-2 I built and comparing it to pics of the meilerwagen with the Rheinbote on it they seem to have been modified - there is a thin launch rail on them which the V-2 trailer does not have. Other than that, they are the same.
slug955
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2016 - 04:54 AM UTC
V-2Rocket
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2016 - 05:48 PM UTC
Brekinapez You are right it is a modified Meiller there is a guild rail for the Rheinbote mounted on the Meiller arm. But it has no air bottle set no V-2 clamps, in other words every thing needed for the V-2 is not on the Rheinbote version. I,m not glad about the Meiller from Customscale because it is a COPY of the Meillerwagen from PSP France, and the PSP No: 35003 is in fact a remodeled copy of the Airmodel No 1001 from Germany. Nd what I have seen from the Wespe meiller it seems also a copy of the Airmodel/PSP Meillerwagen.
I hope that Bronco will bring a Meillerwagen that would be wonderfull a model I'm waiting for many years.
Greetings from Holland
Bert
I hope that Bronco will bring a Meillerwagen that would be wonderfull a model I'm waiting for many years.
Greetings from Holland
Bert
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2016 - 08:22 PM UTC
The PSP Meillerwagon is now being produced by Scale Link. Parentage of original kits is getting confusing! Who did what, where and to whom. Perhaps Michael at Customscale will have a sale when this kit hits the shelves????
varanusk
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Posted: Sunday, May 29, 2016 - 12:41 AM UTC
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Varanusk the rheinbote is only used operational in the configuration with the Meillerwagen They did fire from the Nunspeet area in Holland towards Antwerp. firing periode from end of 1944 until januari 1945. greetings Bert
Thanks for the information Bert, but it seems that at least for trials it was mounted also on the flak41 base. Or something like that. I have been able to find only two obscure photos that do not really allow me to be sure.
What do you think?
V-2Rocket
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Posted: Sunday, May 29, 2016 - 02:35 PM UTC
Correct they did test this Flak base configuration at Leba in Poland .
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 04:45 AM UTC
Any news on this?
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 05:28 AM UTC
I got mine last weekend. It is a really nice kit, lots of detail and an extensive set of instructions. I was surprised at how many parts there are, looks like a lot are moveable too.
Rick
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 12:32 PM UTC
Michael: A review sample of the model has been posted to a member to review and build.
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Saturday, July 30, 2016 - 12:41 PM UTC
OK.