Hi Chaps.... finished off this tonight. Started it over christmas and had the need to build something, so this got finished. Built mostly OOB except for using Tamiya´s grill set for tiger I, some wire to replace a broken handel and wiring the notek light and some plastic card to re-position the machine gun. As there was some extra track I added this to the turret sides. My first tiger and first item with zimmerit. This kit is great value for money as the zimmerit is included as well as length and link tracks. The zimmerit is OK (maybe a bit too perfect) and could be roughed up a bit if so desired. Some ejection marks on the tracks, but the worst of these were cleaned up. Ready for priming and painting now. Any comments or critic are welcome!
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Italeri BergeTiger
Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 12:17 PM UTC
Petro
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 12:45 PM UTC
Looks pretty cool.
The zimmerit comes with the kit? It just seems strange to me that a Recovery vehicle would have zimmerit on it.
The zimmerit comes with the kit? It just seems strange to me that a Recovery vehicle would have zimmerit on it.
Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 12:58 PM UTC
Hi Petro. The hull sides in the kit already have the zimmerit on them. The turret has zimmerit panels that are glued in place. Clamps are needed to hold this in place. Ive read reviews where folks didnt like this approach, but I think its great!
There is a lot of debate about the bergetiger, and whether it actually existed or maybe it was just a one-off! It wasnt built in the factory, but a modification later of a damaged tiger. Seems like a serious waste of a tank --- of its capabilities, just to use it as a recovery vehicle. The crane on it, probably wouldnt be strong enough to pull out anything anyway. Maybe somebody has more information on this!
There is a lot of debate about the bergetiger, and whether it actually existed or maybe it was just a one-off! It wasnt built in the factory, but a modification later of a damaged tiger. Seems like a serious waste of a tank --- of its capabilities, just to use it as a recovery vehicle. The crane on it, probably wouldnt be strong enough to pull out anything anyway. Maybe somebody has more information on this!
Petro
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 01:36 PM UTC
Here is all i have for Info. Apparently, the hull does have zimmerit. I cannot tell if it on the turret though.
Bergetiger
Bergetiger
PorkChop
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 02:03 PM UTC
PB:
There is also speculation out there that it was acutally an engineering vehicle used to place charges etc. and perhaps not for recovery.
Thw tank looks good, it looks like you bulled of that "plastic" cable pretty well. I know fit was bad on the bergepanther. I, like you, actually like the Italeri Zimmerit it's easy and looks good.
My only construction comment on this would be be....... add some paint!
There is also speculation out there that it was acutally an engineering vehicle used to place charges etc. and perhaps not for recovery.
Thw tank looks good, it looks like you bulled of that "plastic" cable pretty well. I know fit was bad on the bergepanther. I, like you, actually like the Italeri Zimmerit it's easy and looks good.
My only construction comment on this would be be....... add some paint!
cfbush2000
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Posted: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 - 02:08 PM UTC
I believe I read somewhere that this may have been used for pulling engines on other tanks.
Chuck
Chuck
Captain94
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 04:54 AM UTC
Nice job, Plasticbattle.
Were the fenders pre-wrinkled or did you do that?
I like the overall look of the finished product, let's see some painted up pics!
Also, what sort of camera do you use and what settings for you pics?
My wife is my official photographer and is curious.
Thanks!
Were the fenders pre-wrinkled or did you do that?
I like the overall look of the finished product, let's see some painted up pics!
Also, what sort of camera do you use and what settings for you pics?
My wife is my official photographer and is curious.
Thanks!
tazz
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 06:53 AM UTC
hey nice work, did these tanks also get used for puting shells on the kark moser and the leopold. becasuse i wanan build one to go with my moser and leopold.
i cant waite to see this painted
i cant waite to see this painted
Ronald_Kok
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 09:38 AM UTC
Looking good for OOTB cant waith for looking at it when painted.
Its off course no Berge tiger but as said before a engineer vehicle for laying charges by strongpoints.
If I remember correcly there was no zimmeritt on the turret, but who cares
Sorry Tazz they where no used by the Karl and Leopold
Ronald
Its off course no Berge tiger but as said before a engineer vehicle for laying charges by strongpoints.
If I remember correcly there was no zimmeritt on the turret, but who cares
Sorry Tazz they where no used by the Karl and Leopold
Ronald
Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 12:33 PM UTC
Thanks guys for your kind words and input.
Captain94; The fenders were all straight and quite thick. I sanded them down a bit and held a lighter close until they started to soften ... not burn... and dented them with the handle of my knife. The camera I use is a Medion, 4.1 MPs. It was a lot cheaper than any of the big brand names when i bought it 1.5 years ago. Half price of most of them actually. It has close up features, but the biggest improvement made was getting a tri-pod. I set on close up and flash and focusing is automatic. Direction is central. I use bulb setting and increase/decrease the exposure depending on what colour the vehicle is. Something this light, I decrease the exposure as the picture gets very bright, but for an olive drab model I increase the exposure. The exposure is my latest finding to improve pictures. Im no expert on cameras or photography.. but I kept playing with it until I got settings i liked. Maybe you could ask me more specific questions.. and I could help you more! Also i have 5 bulb lights from different angles and always use the blue background .... an old blue-bed sheet stretched over cardboard and taped at the back!
The zimmerit for the turret comes seperate ... and could be made as Ronald suggested with no zimmerit on the turret, but it would have to be sanded off the mantlet and escape hatch. I took the lazy way out.
Paint is coming up ... dark yellow and olive green camo. Will post again when I get to that stage! Cheers!
Captain94; The fenders were all straight and quite thick. I sanded them down a bit and held a lighter close until they started to soften ... not burn... and dented them with the handle of my knife. The camera I use is a Medion, 4.1 MPs. It was a lot cheaper than any of the big brand names when i bought it 1.5 years ago. Half price of most of them actually. It has close up features, but the biggest improvement made was getting a tri-pod. I set on close up and flash and focusing is automatic. Direction is central. I use bulb setting and increase/decrease the exposure depending on what colour the vehicle is. Something this light, I decrease the exposure as the picture gets very bright, but for an olive drab model I increase the exposure. The exposure is my latest finding to improve pictures. Im no expert on cameras or photography.. but I kept playing with it until I got settings i liked. Maybe you could ask me more specific questions.. and I could help you more! Also i have 5 bulb lights from different angles and always use the blue background .... an old blue-bed sheet stretched over cardboard and taped at the back!
The zimmerit for the turret comes seperate ... and could be made as Ronald suggested with no zimmerit on the turret, but it would have to be sanded off the mantlet and escape hatch. I took the lazy way out.
Paint is coming up ... dark yellow and olive green camo. Will post again when I get to that stage! Cheers!
Captain94
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 01:39 PM UTC
Thank You, Sir!
If the little woman has specific questions, we will give you a holler.
you explanation was very detailed and helps alot.
If the little woman has specific questions, we will give you a holler.
you explanation was very detailed and helps alot.
Major_Goose
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Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 05:49 PM UTC
Hello there PlasticBattle.Nice job This in a n interesting subject and it is something different on any armor collection wether it was used or not. I see u follow the build all - paint after method, how difficult is to paint the road wheel nightmare like that .?
Posted: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 - 11:23 PM UTC
Hi M-Goose.
If the tracks are one-piece vinyls I usually leave them off and paint them and the roadwheels seperately. As this kit had link and length, I glue them all together. It is in three parts. Total hull, total turret and machine gun.
The roadwheels are not that hard to paint. I spray the whole running gear and tank bottom tamiya earth ... then overspray the inner wheels the base colour (dark yellow). I paint what I can see/reach of the road wheels and let some thinner paints run to the tighter areas. With weathering with washes and pastels, a lot is hidden anyway! It doesnt need to be perfect! Dirt hides a multitude of sins!
If the tracks are one-piece vinyls I usually leave them off and paint them and the roadwheels seperately. As this kit had link and length, I glue them all together. It is in three parts. Total hull, total turret and machine gun.
The roadwheels are not that hard to paint. I spray the whole running gear and tank bottom tamiya earth ... then overspray the inner wheels the base colour (dark yellow). I paint what I can see/reach of the road wheels and let some thinner paints run to the tighter areas. With weathering with washes and pastels, a lot is hidden anyway! It doesnt need to be perfect! Dirt hides a multitude of sins!