Hi All,
I've been looking everywhere but I haven't been able to locate much on the embossed markings for WWII era US 55 gallon fuel drums. A few of the old Tamiya kits have some raised or "embossed" lettering on the fuel drum's face but I haven't been able to find a single reference photo to confirm if this is accurate.
Does anyone have any resources to say whether the raised lettering on the Tamiya offerings is more or less accurate? Did some of the drums come this way or were they actually just flat and blank? Just for clarity, I'm only talking about the US fuel drums, I'm aware there are a gazillion offerings of various German drums with numerous raised lettering options.
Any help locating a resource to confirm or correct the question of raised lettering on these drums would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Jim
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Posted: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 - 03:41 PM UTC
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Posted: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 - 07:14 PM UTC
Jim,
I have no answer, but have wondered the same thing.
If you find something, please share.
Dan
I have no answer, but have wondered the same thing.
If you find something, please share.
Dan
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Posted: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 - 07:32 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi All,
I've been looking everywhere but I haven't been able to locate much on the embossed markings for WWII era US 55 gallon fuel drums. A few of the old Tamiya kits have some raised or "embossed" lettering on the fuel drum's face but I haven't been able to find a single reference photo to confirm if this is accurate.
Does anyone have any resources to say whether the raised lettering on the Tamiya offerings is more or less accurate? Did some of the drums come this way or were they actually just flat and blank? Just for clarity, I'm only talking about the US fuel drums, I'm aware there are a gazillion offerings of various German drums with numerous raised lettering options.
Any help locating a resource to confirm or correct the question of raised lettering on these drums would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Jim
LSA
I've never seen WWII-era, or even modern-day 55-gallon drums with any embossed alpha-numerics on them; that doesn't mean that they don't or didn't exist. Mostly though, what I have seen on US 55-gal drums is STENCILED information stating their contents...
Perhaps someone in the know could elaborate on this thread..?
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Posted: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 - 08:19 PM UTC
Excerpt from the "Interstate Commerce Commission Regulations For The Transportation of Explosives and other Dangerous Articles by Express including Specifications For Shipping Containers Prescribed under Act of March 4, 1921 Issued November 20, 1944 Effective January 1, 1945" (!) :
Marking :
11. On each container. —By embossing on head with raised marks as follows:
(a) ICC--5. This mark shall be understood to certify that the container complies with all specification requirements.
(b) Name or symbol (letters) of maker; this must be recorded with the Bureau of Explosives.
(c) Gauge of metal in thinnest part, rated capacity in gallons, and year of manufacture (for example, 14-55-39). When gauge of metal in body differs from that in the head, both must be indicated with slanting line between and with gauge of body indicated first (for example 14/12-55-39 for body 14 gauge and head 12 gauge).
12. Size of markings (minimum). —1/2" high for 33-gallon or less, 3/4" for over 33 and not over 55 gallons, and 1" for over 55 gallons.
Still trying to find usable pics (all I've found yet are tons of German 200-liter drums... )
On a side note, the Korea War picture shows both embossed markings and stencils :
http://crein.gettyimageskorea.com/images/82501213.jpg
H.P.
Marking :
11. On each container. —By embossing on head with raised marks as follows:
(a) ICC--5. This mark shall be understood to certify that the container complies with all specification requirements.
(b) Name or symbol (letters) of maker; this must be recorded with the Bureau of Explosives.
(c) Gauge of metal in thinnest part, rated capacity in gallons, and year of manufacture (for example, 14-55-39). When gauge of metal in body differs from that in the head, both must be indicated with slanting line between and with gauge of body indicated first (for example 14/12-55-39 for body 14 gauge and head 12 gauge).
12. Size of markings (minimum). —1/2" high for 33-gallon or less, 3/4" for over 33 and not over 55 gallons, and 1" for over 55 gallons.
Still trying to find usable pics (all I've found yet are tons of German 200-liter drums... )
On a side note, the Korea War picture shows both embossed markings and stencils :
http://crein.gettyimageskorea.com/images/82501213.jpg
H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 - 10:07 PM UTC
Thanks guys! And thank you Frenchy, you sir, are Amazing! One would think that something so common and so useful would be a little easier to find information on. They must have made millions of these things but I guess it's not something people normally stop to photograph and document.
thanks so much,
Jim
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thanks so much,
Jim
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Posted: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 - 10:31 PM UTC
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Posted: Thursday, August 04, 2016 - 02:59 PM UTC
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Excerpt from the "Interstate Commerce Commission Regulations For The Transportation of Explosives and other Dangerous Articles by Express including Specifications For Shipping Containers Prescribed under Act of March 4, 1921 Issued November 20, 1944 Effective January 1, 1945" (!) :
Marking :
11. On each container. —By embossing on head with raised marks as follows:
(a) ICC--5. This mark shall be understood to certify that the container complies with all specification requirements.
(b) Name or symbol (letters) of maker; this must be recorded with the Bureau of Explosives.
(c) Gauge of metal in thinnest part, rated capacity in gallons, and year of manufacture (for example, 14-55-39). When gauge of metal in body differs from that in the head, both must be indicated with slanting line between and with gauge of body indicated first (for example 14/12-55-39 for body 14 gauge and head 12 gauge).
12. Size of markings (minimum). —1/2" high for 33-gallon or less, 3/4" for over 33 and not over 55 gallons, and 1" for over 55 gallons.
Still trying to find usable pics (all I've found yet are tons of German 200-liter drums... )
On a side note, the Korea War picture shows both embossed markings and stencils :
http://crein.gettyimageskorea.com/images/82501213.jpg
H.P.
THANK YOU, FRENCHY!!!
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, August 05, 2016 - 01:50 AM UTC
You're welcome Dennis
Here's an example of (civilian ?) markings :
"8-55-39" stands for 18 gauge, 55 gallons, 1939. The ICC-5 marking is missing though...
H.P.
Here's an example of (civilian ?) markings :
"8-55-39" stands for 18 gauge, 55 gallons, 1939. The ICC-5 marking is missing though...
H.P.
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Posted: Friday, August 05, 2016 - 04:08 AM UTC
In many cases Government-regulated or military packaging has the transportation markings (like the ICC-5 mark) in a visible location while manufacturer's marks are obscure (on the bottoms) so as to prevent them from being mistaken for shipping or content markings.
Also, not every drum was suitable for shipping flammable liquids, thus requiring an ICC-5 marking. On top of that, there were other drum regulations like ICC-6, -17, 37, 47, and others.
KL
Also, not every drum was suitable for shipping flammable liquids, thus requiring an ICC-5 marking. On top of that, there were other drum regulations like ICC-6, -17, 37, 47, and others.
KL
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Posted: Friday, August 05, 2016 - 12:20 PM UTC
Way to Go Frenchy! Thanks so much for turning up so much information on such an obscure subject. I appreciate your help very much, especially the photos. Pictures truly are worth a thousand words.
I am making some barrels and wanted to make sure that I got the details right. Not hard at all for the German stuff but photos of some US equipment like those Frenchy turned up are surprisingly hard to come by. Thank you everyone who has contributed information on this, I appreciate your help!
Jim
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I am making some barrels and wanted to make sure that I got the details right. Not hard at all for the German stuff but photos of some US equipment like those Frenchy turned up are surprisingly hard to come by. Thank you everyone who has contributed information on this, I appreciate your help!
Jim
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Posted: Friday, August 05, 2016 - 06:20 PM UTC
Some history http://aoghs.org/transportation/nellie-bly-oil-drum/
Dan
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