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Anyone know what model the HMMWVs are?
chhrzz
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Posted: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 - 10:39 PM UTC
rogerjo1
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Posted: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 - 10:54 PM UTC
M1025 i think tamiya have it in a kit
bots1141
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Posted: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 - 11:05 PM UTC
M1126???
Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 - 11:32 PM UTC
Latvian Army M1044's (armament carrier, supplemental armor, with winch)
Tamiya has released the M1046 (TOW missile carrier, supplemental armor, with winch) that can be used to build a M1044.
Larger version of the very same picture :
http://www.fotothing.com/photos/2c9/2c982c9ab9ba48ed4ac4922f0db98f0e_0a4.jpg
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Tamiya has released the M1046 (TOW missile carrier, supplemental armor, with winch) that can be used to build a M1044.
Larger version of the very same picture :
http://www.fotothing.com/photos/2c9/2c982c9ab9ba48ed4ac4922f0db98f0e_0a4.jpg
H.P.
MikeyBugs95
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Posted: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 - 11:47 PM UTC
Quoted Text
M1126???
The M1126 is the Stryker Infantry Carrier, not a HMMWV.
kubisz
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 12:32 AM UTC
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Latvian Army M1044's
Latvian - yes, but not M1044. They're M1043A2. With upgrading to A2 standard a winch was present in every Humvee, so there were no more M1044 nor M1026 - all new A2 Armament Carriers are M1025A2 or M1043A2.
In Tamiya's M1046 kit there is older type of winch, not suitable for A2. You can find a good one (needing only minor improvements) in Academy's M998 IED Gun Truck.
WXerock
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 12:34 AM UTC
Karlis, I have to say it is a M1043 or M1044. I don't see any evidence that there is a winch installed so I am leaning toward the M1043. The front bumper is the type used on the version with the winch but there is no control box or hook/cable for a winch. Plus if the winch is installed the front bumper is extended out a few inches. There is no evidence of an extension. You can build this with a combination of Tamiya's M1025 and the doors from their M1046. Tamiya will sell you just the sprue with the doors for a very reasonable price. You would have to fabricate the extended air intake because it is different than the American style. The gun ring has the more advanced type of weapons mount. You can find a ton of photos of that type and scratch build it or you can get the Blast HMMWV update that has the parts for the different mount. The update is BL35050K. The Blast set I bought years ago was beautiful but had some warpage issues. Blast still lists it in their website. I can't find it in any other website though. Good luck!
Regards,
Eric
Regards,
Eric
kubisz
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 12:55 AM UTC
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Karlis, I have to say it is a M1043 or M1044. I don't see any evidence that there is a winch installed so I am leaning toward the M1043. The front bumper is the type used on the version with the winch but there is no control box or hook/cable for a winch. Plus if the winch is installed the front bumper is extended out a few inches. There is no evidence of an extension. You can build this with a combination of Tamiya's M1025 and the doors from their M1046. Tamiya will sell you just the sprue with the doors for a very reasonable price. You would have to fabricate the extended air intake because it is different than the American style. Just my two cents.
Regards,
Eric
Eric, You've written Your answer the same time I've written mine. So let me repeat to clarify everything: these Humvees are - without any doubts - M1043A2. The best (and I think the cheapest) way to build this model is buying a Tamiya's M1046, ET Model or Voyager high back seats and Panzer Art or DEF Model MT (aggressive pattern) wheels. A winch and rear bumper with spare tire holder - to scratch. Of course there are many many minor parts to improve, but this is a long story...
WXerock
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 01:02 AM UTC
Thank Kuba! You are always out there for the HMMWV enthusiasts!
Regards,
Eric
Regards,
Eric
Frenchy
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 01:08 AM UTC
I knew I should have left the ID to Kuba, our resident Humvee expert 
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kubisz
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 01:29 AM UTC
sgtsauer
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 02:19 AM UTC
To properly represent the A2, you will need the rear bumper assembly if you are using the Tamiya HMMWVs as your base kit. The US DoD standardized the 'winch' bumper on A2 series so that there were no additional part requirements when installing a winch other than installing the winch itself.
I helped a German model company design the rear 'A2' bumper kit. I forget who it was though.
I will look tonight when I get home and post who the model company is.
The air intake extension is not currently availble. It would have to be scratchbuilt.
The turret is different in two respects as mentioned previously:
1. The mount base is the 'lightweight' version. As mentioned above, it can be found.
2. The .50 cal mount from the top of the bearing sleeve up is completely different. It would have to be scratchbuilt.
I helped a German model company design the rear 'A2' bumper kit. I forget who it was though.
I will look tonight when I get home and post who the model company is.
The air intake extension is not currently availble. It would have to be scratchbuilt.
The turret is different in two respects as mentioned previously:
1. The mount base is the 'lightweight' version. As mentioned above, it can be found.
2. The .50 cal mount from the top of the bearing sleeve up is completely different. It would have to be scratchbuilt.
sgtsauer
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 05:16 AM UTC
WXerock
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 05:22 AM UTC
Brent, looks like that set can be used to update the Academy M1151 and Bronco M1114 since both if those got the rear end wrong. I was thinking of scratching all of this. Now I just need to find one or three!
Regards,
Eric
Regards,
Eric
bots1141
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 06:24 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextM1126???
The M1126 is the Stryker Infantry Carrier, not a HMMWV.
Typo! I ment M1026
sgtsauer
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 06:51 AM UTC
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Brent, looks like that set can be used to update the Academy M1151 and Bronco M1114 since both if those got the rear end wrong. I was thinking of scratching all of this. Now I just need to find one or three!
Regards,
Eric
What is wrong with the M1151 rear-end?
WXerock
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 07:28 AM UTC
Both Academy and Bronco have the rear of the chassis configured like Tamiya's M1025/1046 chassis. All of the real M1114/M1151 I've seen have the rear configured like the MR Modellbau conversion.
Regards,
Eric
Regards,
Eric
sgtsauer
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 08:15 AM UTC
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Both Academy and Bronco have the rear of the chassis configured like Tamiya's M1025/1046 chassis. All of the real M1114/M1151 I've seen have the rear configured like the MR Modellbau conversion.
Regards,
Eric
Hmmm. Interesting. I will have to take a look tomorrow. I have both kits but hadn't looked at them close.
WXerock
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 08:30 AM UTC
Brent, they both took some odd shortcuts. I am generally impressed with what I have seen of both though. Both kits have some fantastic detail but both also lack in a few areas. I am slowly working on writing a comparison of these two and the Tamiya kits. I am pouring over photos and examining the kits in detail as I go. I still need to take some more photos at work if there are any of our HMMWVs still around.
Regards,
Eric
Regards,
Eric
kubisz
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Posted: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 - 10:17 AM UTC
To build a proper Humvee with rear bumper (for example M997, M1097, all A2s, M1114, M1151), a rear area of the frame should be reworked. Something like that:
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