Hello!
Just dug out my partly completed model of the Dragon 1/35 Leopold railway gun from the attic, with a view towards finally completing it. I also happen to have the Tamiya kit of the Protze Whermacht workhorse truck. Could I include this little vehicle in a simple diorama with the gun, perhaps delivering supplies or ammunition? I thought it might add a further impression of the enormous size of the gun, along with the crew. It could be possibly parked on the tracks in front of or behind Leopold.
Any comments and advice would be much appreciated. Thanks!
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Tamiya Protze with railway gun
Gordon234
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 05:34 AM UTC
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 05:50 AM UTC
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Hello!
Just dug out my partly completed model of the Dragon 1/35 Leopold railway gun from the attic, with a view towards finally completing it. I also happen to have the Tamiya kit of the Protze Whermacht workhorse truck. Could I include this little vehicle in a simple diorama with the gun, perhaps delivering supplies or ammunition? I thought it might add a further impression of the enormous size of the gun, along with the crew. It could be possibly parked on the tracks in front of or behind Leopold.
Any comments and advice would be much appreciated. Thanks!
Good idea! Why not?
Ammo for the Leopold, i.e, a single shell plus propellant charges, if carried by the Krupp Protze, would probably collapse the poor little thing!
Bringing up water or rations would probably be more suitable for your Protze. That little TAMIYA kit is STILL a pretty nice model, especially if one adds a few aftermarket goodies, especially PE and resin stowage. I built one several years ago- Very satisfying, simple build...
PS- Not to be a "wise-guy", but I think you meant to type "WEHRMACHT", not "WHERMACHT". Wehrmacht means "Armed Forces" in German; the correct German word for the WWII German Army was "HEER". Of course, the "fighting arm" of the SS was properly referred to as the "Waffen SS"; the "Allegemeine SS" was the "General SS", which was comprised of various departments, or "Amt"(s), such as Police Organizations, the "Sicherheitsdienst" (SD), or "Security Service", the overseeing Political Departments", Concentration Camp Guards, "Reichspropaganda" organizations and some pretty much "all-around other no-goodniks", besides...
MikePowell
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 07:02 AM UTC
The Protze had a payload of 1,150 kilograms. Shells for the Krupp 28-cm-Kanone 5 weighed in at about 265 kilograms. I have no idea if Protze ever served in such capacity but from the perspective of weight it sounds entirely feasible.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 05:42 PM UTC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp_K5
Even if the shells could be carried by the Protze I would be very surprised if it was done. The presence of railway tracks for the gun would suggest that carrying ammo by rail would be more efficient.
If I may, I would suggest that the Protze is carrying some curious soldiers "having a look" at the huge gun.
Maybe a film crew making a propaganda film ? Another option could be as a vehicle used by the perimeter guard forces or maybe light AA ?
/ Robin
Even if the shells could be carried by the Protze I would be very surprised if it was done. The presence of railway tracks for the gun would suggest that carrying ammo by rail would be more efficient.
If I may, I would suggest that the Protze is carrying some curious soldiers "having a look" at the huge gun.
Maybe a film crew making a propaganda film ? Another option could be as a vehicle used by the perimeter guard forces or maybe light AA ?
/ Robin
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 06:05 PM UTC
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp_K5
Even if the shells could be carried by the Protze I would be very surprised if it was done. The presence of railway tracks for the gun would suggest that carrying ammo by rail would be more efficient.
If I may, I would suggest that the Protze is carrying some curious soldiers "having a look" at the huge gun.
Maybe a film crew making a propaganda film ? Another option could be as a vehicle used by the perimeter guard forces or maybe light AA ?
/ Robin
Sounds good to me, Robin!
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 06:07 PM UTC
Wehrmacht: what Germany went to war with
Where macht: what they were looking for late in 1944
Were macht: What they didn't have any more late spring 1945
Where macht: what they were looking for late in 1944
Were macht: What they didn't have any more late spring 1945
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 06:19 PM UTC
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The Protze had a payload of 1,150 kilograms. Shells for the Krupp 28-cm-Kanone 5 weighed in at about 265 kilograms. I have no idea if Protze ever served in such capacity but from the perspective of weight it sounds entirely feasible.
Hi, Mike!
I DOUBT if the Germans, being sticklers for efficiency, would have bothered to load 4.3 shells onto a diminutive Krupp Protze, PLUS the crew to drive the vehicle and handle the ammo. If memory serves, the Germans used the same kind of a converted Pz.IV "Munizionspanzer", or purpose-built RAILROAD CARS to transport such heavy ammunition as required for huge "Leopold" Railway Guns, and the "KARL" & "THOR" Super-Heavy Mortars. Sure, it would have been POSSIBLE to transport two or three of the 265kg "Leopold" Shells in a Protze, but IMO, it wouldn't have been very practical for the Germans to do so...
Not trying to be a "know-it-all", just looking at this scenario from a German Artillery Officer's possible point of view, that's all...
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 06:20 PM UTC
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Wehrmacht: what Germany went to war with
Where macht: what they were looking for late in 1944
Were macht: What they didn't have any more late spring 1945
EXCELLENT!!!
goldnova72
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 06:37 PM UTC
I would go with a film crew .Dragon has/had a camera man and there are a few in resin . Or maybe a couple of guys delivering those hot food containers for the gun crew . Didn't Dragon make some of those with one of their figure sets ? Or was it a Resin set ? Too many releases to remember 
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Sunday, September 11, 2016 - 07:43 PM UTC
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I would go with a film crew .Dragon has/had a camera man and there are a few in resin . Or maybe a couple of guys delivering those hot food containers for the gun crew . Didn't Dragon make some of those with one of their figure sets ? Or was it a Resin set ? Too many releases to remember
MASTER BOX, maybe..?
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