Mike, thank you sir. I hardly know what to say.
Except to say that I am doing my best to provide solutions to a problem that many on this site seem to be having with the absence of the CHU.
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Posted: Sunday, October 29, 2017 - 10:36 PM UTC
Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 12:01 AM UTC
Plan drawing for construction of the two CHU hook assemblies:
Hooks (Blue) - Top hook is fixed (glued) - Bottom hook is pinned (hinged) and rotates 90 degrees.
Friction spacer side bars (Green) are narrower and thinner than main bars. (Orange)
Center bar (Gray) has the same cross section as the main bars but is shorter to allow for hooks.
Hex nuts were added later and serve only as decoration.
Hooks (Blue) - Top hook is fixed (glued) - Bottom hook is pinned (hinged) and rotates 90 degrees.
Friction spacer side bars (Green) are narrower and thinner than main bars. (Orange)
Center bar (Gray) has the same cross section as the main bars but is shorter to allow for hooks.
Hex nuts were added later and serve only as decoration.
Frenchy
Rhone, France
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 02:13 AM UTC
Great scratchbuilding skills Mike ! I've just came across a different type of CHU, called Enhanced Container Handling Unit (E-CHU) built by HIAB/Multilift :
https://vimeo.com/24496794
H.P.
https://vimeo.com/24496794
H.P.
Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 02:50 AM UTC
Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 02:59 AM UTC
Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 05:39 AM UTC
Just taking a few "fun" photos while enjoying this build:
p.s. What is the general opinion here? Have I overdone the faded pale green treatment on the Oshkosh fiberglass hood? I could tone that down considerably but I sort of like it.
I don't know if it is the paint Oshkosh uses that reacts with the fiberglass or, more likely the color is actually manufactured INTO the fiberglass and the dye in the fiberglass doesn't hold up as well as the real paint on the rest of the vehicle when exposed to sunlight. Whatever they are using, both the green and the sand colors fade rapidly. The green more so than the sand.
p.s. What is the general opinion here? Have I overdone the faded pale green treatment on the Oshkosh fiberglass hood? I could tone that down considerably but I sort of like it.
I don't know if it is the paint Oshkosh uses that reacts with the fiberglass or, more likely the color is actually manufactured INTO the fiberglass and the dye in the fiberglass doesn't hold up as well as the real paint on the rest of the vehicle when exposed to sunlight. Whatever they are using, both the green and the sand colors fade rapidly. The green more so than the sand.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 05:57 AM UTC
The CHU is coming along great. Waiting to see how the rear support portion looks; great I'm sure. The hood color looks good to me as well.
I can't wait to get back to work on my PLS. We just moved into our new house and have started wading through boxes. The hobby room will be last to unpack, unfortunately.
I can't wait to get back to work on my PLS. We just moved into our new house and have started wading through boxes. The hobby room will be last to unpack, unfortunately.
Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 06:07 AM UTC
Gino I definitely want to see more of your PLS. Hope the unpacking goes quickly.
I still have not worked out the "design engineering" on those rear container guides. I have hopes of working out something that can actually be folded up so I can use either a flatrack or the CHU w/container on either the HEMTT or the Mk 8x8's. I got a feeling I will have to build one truck as folded and one as extended but that will be very limiting.
Probably my next build will be a 20' AMCOM half-height ammo contanier.
I still have not worked out the "design engineering" on those rear container guides. I have hopes of working out something that can actually be folded up so I can use either a flatrack or the CHU w/container on either the HEMTT or the Mk 8x8's. I got a feeling I will have to build one truck as folded and one as extended but that will be very limiting.
Probably my next build will be a 20' AMCOM half-height ammo contanier.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 12:27 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Great scratchbuilding skills Mike ! I've just came across a different type of CHU, called Enhanced Container Handling Unit (E-CHU) built by HIAB/Multilift :
https://vimeo.com/24496794
H.P.
here in Sweden we will soon be getting the A-CHU
/ Robin
Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 12:33 PM UTC
Really? Here in the US we have only been vaccinated against the E-CHU. Looks like we may be in for a rough season!
Posted: Monday, October 30, 2017 - 01:47 PM UTC
Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 01:55 AM UTC
Earlier Gino mentioned the rear container supports - I like to call them support guides.
Any vehicle that is going to carry containers without also using an intermediate flatrack must have these container support guides installed. The bottom of the standard container is not suitable to work with the rear loading rollers that are intended to work with the flatracks. These support guides can be retrofitted onto just about any LHS vehicle. They fold out of the way when loading a standard flatrack but must be unfolded and locked in place in order to load a container. This is true for almost ALL military vehicles including HEMTT LHS, the Navy Mk 8x8 LHS and the PLS with LHS.
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Note above: Container Load Lock in the open position.
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Container Load Lock, LOCKED.
Any vehicle that is going to carry containers without also using an intermediate flatrack must have these container support guides installed. The bottom of the standard container is not suitable to work with the rear loading rollers that are intended to work with the flatracks. These support guides can be retrofitted onto just about any LHS vehicle. They fold out of the way when loading a standard flatrack but must be unfolded and locked in place in order to load a container. This is true for almost ALL military vehicles including HEMTT LHS, the Navy Mk 8x8 LHS and the PLS with LHS.
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Note above: Container Load Lock in the open position.
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Container Load Lock, LOCKED.
Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 02:20 AM UTC
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 02:22 AM UTC
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If you go to the Italeri website, you can order the decal sheet for about $5. You just email them the request as a parts request with the kit #. They also sell individual sprues the same way for $5 each as well. I got the gun ring sprue from the M977 guntruck kit that I used on my M983A2.
Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 03:14 AM UTC
Thank you Gino - I will check that out!
Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 03:16 AM UTC
Well this photo answers one question. The heavy arm that supports the guide tray is canted on it's pivot axis. As you rotate the arm out 90 degrees to the frame it swings both out AND upwards. The guide tray ends up being higher than the rollers (as it should be) when the whole thing is finally locked into place.
The above applies to both the HEMTT and the Mk 8x8 LHS vehicles. The above design DOES NOT apply to the PLS which has a different fixed, non-folding support guide design.
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Fixed support guides on a PLS. (Do not know what they do when they encounter having to haul a Flatrack. I suspect they just remove the guide tray and stow it somewhere on the vehicle.)
The above applies to both the HEMTT and the Mk 8x8 LHS vehicles. The above design DOES NOT apply to the PLS which has a different fixed, non-folding support guide design.
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Fixed support guides on a PLS. (Do not know what they do when they encounter having to haul a Flatrack. I suspect they just remove the guide tray and stow it somewhere on the vehicle.)
Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 12:17 PM UTC
Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 - 11:36 PM UTC
Posted: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 - 12:23 AM UTC
For those interested: I have recently revised and/or colorized a number of the drawings posted within the last two pages of this thread. In a number of cases I have corrected problems with the drawings and, I think, made them more understandable.
Just sharing that fact.
Just sharing that fact.
Posted: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 - 05:01 AM UTC
Posted: Thursday, November 02, 2017 - 08:34 AM UTC
Reworked the guide trays today - I had it wrong regarding the two tabs sticking out the rear of the tray.
Yes the container load locks connect to these tabs but the tabs do not extend beyond the end of the guide tray.
Two snips with the sprue cutters, re-drill two holes - done.
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Also made a trip to my LHS and picked up the smallest size square brass tubing they had. Used the tubing to build the mounts
for the removable extended guide wings on the sides of the trays.
I hope to make the guide extensions removable on my model as well.
Posted: Friday, November 03, 2017 - 12:42 PM UTC
Posted: Friday, November 03, 2017 - 09:23 PM UTC
Does anyone other than myself see the mother bird feeding the two baby birds in the above photo?
The frame that supports the two baby birds is actually a stand that will hold the CHU when not in use. Somehow the CHU is flipped over upside-down on the hook and then lowered onto these two "baby birds" to be stored there in order to free up the big hook when dealing with a flatrack rather than container.
I believe this is correct but do not yet know how
this upside-down action is accomplished.
The frame that supports the two baby birds is actually a stand that will hold the CHU when not in use. Somehow the CHU is flipped over upside-down on the hook and then lowered onto these two "baby birds" to be stored there in order to free up the big hook when dealing with a flatrack rather than container.
I believe this is correct but do not yet know how
this upside-down action is accomplished.
Posted: Saturday, November 04, 2017 - 02:53 AM UTC
Currently at a temporary impasse - I think I may have to start over on those heavy swing arms that support the guide trays when loading a container.
Posted: Saturday, November 04, 2017 - 11:20 AM UTC
Another small correction:
Here is the "before" picture that you saw earlier at the top of this page -
During construction I missed this detail - adding a small gap in the center of the movable hook shaft. (Gray) On the real CHU another hook can be inserted into this gap to accommodate an assortment of different height containers. (This hook is actually the one that is designed to accommodate the half-height containers.)
And now the "after" image -
Bottom two drawings are from the TM. This will give you an additional correct detail on the movable hooks. However if in the end you want to deal with multiple containers of different heights adding this option will allow you to keep your options open for the future.
Here is the "before" picture that you saw earlier at the top of this page -
During construction I missed this detail - adding a small gap in the center of the movable hook shaft. (Gray) On the real CHU another hook can be inserted into this gap to accommodate an assortment of different height containers. (This hook is actually the one that is designed to accommodate the half-height containers.)
And now the "after" image -
Bottom two drawings are from the TM. This will give you an additional correct detail on the movable hooks. However if in the end you want to deal with multiple containers of different heights adding this option will allow you to keep your options open for the future.