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Mark I in the trenches
Tobias5555
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Posted: Friday, November 25, 2016 - 05:31 PM UTC
Tobias5555
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Posted: Saturday, November 26, 2016 - 08:15 PM UTC
Tobias5555
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Posted: Sunday, November 27, 2016 - 10:45 PM UTC
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, November 28, 2016 - 09:58 PM UTC
Your trench looks way too wide and shallow to me. From all the pics I have seen, WWI trenches were only about two men wide and some only wide enough for one man to pass. They were also slightly deeper than head height so the soldier would be fully covered when in it. Check out these images to see what I mean.
WWI trenches
WWI trenches
pgb3476
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Posted: Monday, November 28, 2016 - 10:47 PM UTC
I like those German troopers. I assume that's an artillery gun hit on the tank?
Tobias5555
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Posted: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 10:29 PM UTC
Yes, the trench is to wide, but thatīs the Artist licences. I needed that space for the tank. But thanks for the link.
Artillery was one of the only way to bring a tank down. It was hit while going over the trnch and then broke in.
Artillery was one of the only way to bring a tank down. It was hit while going over the trnch and then broke in.
HeavyArty
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Posted: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 10:34 PM UTC
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Yes, the trench is to wide, but thatīs the Artist licences. I needed that space for the tank.
Not really, there are other ways to portray it, like the wall of the trench collapsed under the weight of the tank, the tank at a steeper angle, etc. Lots of realistic ways to make it look like it really is a WWI trench. It just takes some planning and searching for reference (lots out there).
majjanelson
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Posted: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - 10:59 PM UTC
Tobias,
To me, the figures seem too large for the scale of the tank compared to the historical photo:
By the way, is this 1/72 scale?
Your painting and weathering are pretty good.
I think if follow Gino's advice, you could have a much more dramatic scene between the tank and the figures in the trench.
HTH
To me, the figures seem too large for the scale of the tank compared to the historical photo:
By the way, is this 1/72 scale?
Your painting and weathering are pretty good.
I think if follow Gino's advice, you could have a much more dramatic scene between the tank and the figures in the trench.
HTH
Kevlar06
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Posted: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 01:06 AM UTC
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Your trench looks way too wide and shallow to me. From all the pics I have seen, WWI trenches were only about two men wide and some only wide enough for one man to pass. They were also slightly deeper than head height so the soldier would be fully covered when in it. Check out these images to see what I mean.
I agree with Gino, your trench is a bit wide, BUT...by 1917 the Germans had learned to widen the trenches as an anti-tank defense, and at Cambrai in November 1917, the trenches were a proscribed 12ft wide at most places along the Hindenburg line. The British realized this, and developed a tactic where fascine tanks would lead the attack, drop the fascine into a wide trench and cross, while following tanks provided enfilading fire on the trench, then they would follow over the fascine. Of course, those were Mark IV tanks, and yours is an earlier Mark I tank, which puts it before 1917, and likely before the Germans decided to widen their defensive lines. However, your diorama is superb, and you can always claim the Mark I has fallen into a prepared Artillery position behind the lines, which would have been wider than a trench-- and explains the German troops nonchalantly walking around and over it-- something they were unlikely to do on the front line trenches in clear view of the enemy, and in easy range of enemy artillery which would have been used to destroy any captured vehicle in sight. By the way, except for the photo of Hyacinth stuck in the Hindenburg Line at Cambrai above,-- and one other from Cambrai above, many of the photos are of Mark IV tanks being tested on German training grounds (Beutepanzers) or on British training grounds-- so the depiction of a "combat" trench with a tank in it can be a tricky proposition.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - 01:54 AM UTC
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Tobias,
To me, the figures seem too large for the scale of the tank compared to the historical photo:
Also for me the figures are way too large,looks like the germans are in 1/48 or from some Gaming scale like 1/56, 28mm or something like that
PanzerKarl
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Posted: Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 11:42 AM UTC
Them figures do look rather large but it looks like they are over scaled 1/72 figures.