Hi All,
I've found a ton of threads and reviews of T-34 kits here on Armorama and other spots on the internet, but I've not come to any conclusion about the most accurate T-34. I am not interested at all in the kits that have clear sections to see full interiors (I think that only AFV Club makes these), though a full interior is fine. Yes, I know you can always paint over the clear parts, but I don't want to deal with those clear pieces. So, can anyone give me an option on the most accurate T-34 kit that does NOT have see-through parts? If the kit has full interior, I might take advantage of that by leaving the hatches open, but an interior is not critical, and if there is a kit that has better accuracy externally, but without an interior, that is perfectly fine. It doesn't matter to me if the kit is a /76 or /85. Any thoughts from you T-34 experts?
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cabasner
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 08:22 PM UTC
Tojo72
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 08:37 PM UTC
Just so you know,AFV also makes their full interior kits with regular hulls,and they are really nice builds except for the rubber tracks.
I have also enjoyed the the Dragon T-34/85 that comes with the bedspring armor,another nice build.
Accuracy issues,well I don't know.But they look like T-34's to me.I'm sure everyone else will chip in with accuracy problems.
I have also enjoyed the the Dragon T-34/85 that comes with the bedspring armor,another nice build.
Accuracy issues,well I don't know.But they look like T-34's to me.I'm sure everyone else will chip in with accuracy problems.
urumomo
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 08:47 PM UTC
.... did you already order your AK Ultra Matt , Curt ?
-----> https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Military_Vehicles/t-34-85-utz-premium-edition/DML00006266/product.php?s=0&t=2&u=10&pg=1&ppp=48&sb=stocknumber&so=a&era=5,6&ct=6&sc=35
-----> https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Military_Vehicles/t-34-85-utz-premium-edition/DML00006266/product.php?s=0&t=2&u=10&pg=1&ppp=48&sb=stocknumber&so=a&era=5,6&ct=6&sc=35
cabasner
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 08:59 PM UTC
Thanks, guys.
Keith, the Dragon T-34 looks quite impressive! And yes, I did order the AK Ultra Matte, should be here on Friday. I am so looking forward to seeing what it's going to do for me. I really like the fact that they advertise that it can be applied both by airbrush and by regular brush. I don't know that any other matte finish has ever stated that it can be applied by regular brush. I have used Testors Dullcote in the past, which works really well, but I don't like that it's not water based. I have been using a water based flat (can't recall which one right at the moment), but it has not been consistently dead flat. I'm hoping this AK will be that ideal for me, water based and perfectly flat. I'll let you know what I experience when it gets here...thanks for the recommendation!
Keith, the Dragon T-34 looks quite impressive! And yes, I did order the AK Ultra Matte, should be here on Friday. I am so looking forward to seeing what it's going to do for me. I really like the fact that they advertise that it can be applied both by airbrush and by regular brush. I don't know that any other matte finish has ever stated that it can be applied by regular brush. I have used Testors Dullcote in the past, which works really well, but I don't like that it's not water based. I have been using a water based flat (can't recall which one right at the moment), but it has not been consistently dead flat. I'm hoping this AK will be that ideal for me, water based and perfectly flat. I'll let you know what I experience when it gets here...thanks for the recommendation!
urumomo
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 09:06 PM UTC
Well ,
any coating can be applied by brush , really .
I like that it sprays without any thinning and YES it is dead flat . As I said in the other thread , I've been using Vallejo Matt and it was not working for me --- their satin seemed as matt as their matt
-- I think you need too much thickness in the Vallejo to get a " dead-flat " ,,, if you can at all .
Did you order it from Scale Hobbyist ?
Good to know other vendors ...
any coating can be applied by brush , really .
I like that it sprays without any thinning and YES it is dead flat . As I said in the other thread , I've been using Vallejo Matt and it was not working for me --- their satin seemed as matt as their matt
-- I think you need too much thickness in the Vallejo to get a " dead-flat " ,,, if you can at all .Did you order it from Scale Hobbyist ?
Good to know other vendors ...
RLlockie
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Posted: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 11:45 PM UTC
Dragon's early T-34s (1940 & 1941) are very good with a few tweaks. The Same company's T-34-85 (not /85, at least according to Russian documentation) are also good but generally older. The 1943 76mm examples had some odd layout issues with the glacis (despite having the hatch correctly located on the previous -85 releases).
Note that although Dragon supplies etch in some kits, you should not assume that it will actually fit the kit in which it is included. In particular, the fan outlet grille and air intake parts are prone to size and shape inconsistencies. For the former, I recommend Aber's mesh S19, which has the correct spacing. For the latter, I am converted to Zavod 3D's parts, available from Shapeways. They correctly capture the design of the originals and just need wire inserted into the pre-formed holes. For the early intake grilles (a series of louvred), I thought the kit parts were entirely adequate though.
Mark Rethoret is something of an authority on T-34 so it's worth looking up his posts on the subject (here and on ML). There is also a T-34 group on FB which you might consider joining, although FB is a poor research tool in my limited experience.
Note that although Dragon supplies etch in some kits, you should not assume that it will actually fit the kit in which it is included. In particular, the fan outlet grille and air intake parts are prone to size and shape inconsistencies. For the former, I recommend Aber's mesh S19, which has the correct spacing. For the latter, I am converted to Zavod 3D's parts, available from Shapeways. They correctly capture the design of the originals and just need wire inserted into the pre-formed holes. For the early intake grilles (a series of louvred), I thought the kit parts were entirely adequate though.
Mark Rethoret is something of an authority on T-34 so it's worth looking up his posts on the subject (here and on ML). There is also a T-34 group on FB which you might consider joining, although FB is a poor research tool in my limited experience.
Tojo72
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Posted: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 - 12:37 AM UTC
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Dragon's early T-34s (1940 & 1941) are very good with a few tweaks. The Same company's T-34-85 (not /85,
We'll excuse me
phantom8747
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Posted: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 - 06:57 PM UTC
It's a common mistake.Don't worry just don't say T-59 instead of Type 59 or you really get jumped on.
RLlockie
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Posted: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 - 10:56 PM UTC
Sorry if I offended anyone. Maybe I shouldn't bother trying to help in future if this is the sum total of the feedback for spending time I could have been using doing something else.
cabasner
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Posted: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 - 11:00 PM UTC
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Sorry if I offended anyone. Maybe I shouldn't bother trying to help in future if this is the sum total of the feedback for spending time I could have been using doing something else.
Please don't stop contributing! My apologies if my thread got you feeling this way.
Tojo72
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Posted: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 - 11:55 PM UTC
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Sorry if I offended anyone. Maybe I shouldn't bother trying to help in future if this is the sum total of the feedback for spending time I could have been using doing something else.
Come on,you know it's not about all the useful info that you provided the original poster,that's not my issue,but did you really need to call me out about the difference between a - and a/ does it matter,I'm sure Curtis knew what I was talking about and so did you.that's just being pompous.
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Thursday, December 22, 2016 - 12:12 AM UTC
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. . . but did you really need to call me out about the difference between a - and a/ does it matter,I'm sure Curtis knew what I was talking about and so did you.that's just being pompous.
Why do you think Robert was "calling you out"? The title of the thread - written by the original poster - used that designation and Robert, in response to him, pointed out politely what the correct designation was, so he would know.
I guess this is what happens when people think the world revolves around them.
KL
Cantstopbuyingkits
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Posted: Thursday, December 22, 2016 - 01:23 AM UTC
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Quoted Text. . . but did you really need to call me out about the difference between a - and a/ does it matter,I'm sure Curtis knew what I was talking about and so did you.that's just being pompous.
Why do you think Robert was "calling you out"? The title of the thread - written by the original poster - used that designation and Robert, in response to him, pointed out politely what the correct designation was, so he would know.
I guess this is what happens when people think the world revolves around them.
KL
Exactly, Robert was just pointing out what is the common term for this variant of the tank is, no-one's calling out anyone on anything, really.
Wierdy
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Posted: Thursday, December 22, 2016 - 04:19 AM UTC
Gentlemen, it some of you still want to know the answer to the topic title, wait for Mark Rethoret's post...
exgrunt
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Posted: Thursday, December 22, 2016 - 07:12 PM UTC
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Quoted TextSorry if I offended anyone. Maybe I shouldn't bother trying to help in future if this is the sum total of the feedback for spending time I could have been using doing something else.
Come on,you know it's not about all the useful info that you provided the original poster,that's not my issue,but did you really need to call me out about the difference between a - and a/ does it matter,I'm sure Curtis knew what I was talking about and so did you.that's just being pompous.
Enough... Get over yourself.
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