As its final release for the year, OKB Grigorov makes available its set of Type 2 Tiger I Sprockets.
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OKB Grigorov: Tiger I Sprockets
tatbaqui
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Posted: Saturday, December 24, 2016 - 08:25 PM UTC
As its final release for the year, OKB Grigorov makes available its set of Type 2 Tiger I Sprockets.
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Byrden
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Posted: Saturday, December 24, 2016 - 10:43 PM UTC
I'm sorry to say that I have never seen a Tiger sprocket resembling your product.
In Tigers, the webs go between the teeth. You have put the webs at the teeth.
If you have a photo that matches your product, please post it and I will be glad to be corrected.
David
In Tigers, the webs go between the teeth. You have put the webs at the teeth.
If you have a photo that matches your product, please post it and I will be glad to be corrected.
David
redcap
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Posted: Sunday, December 25, 2016 - 04:51 PM UTC
Nice to see a factual comment (and supported by visual evidence) from someone who knows what they are talking about rather than the mantra of "If it's an AM product - then it MUST be right" attitude which many modellers adopt and then buy unwittingly.
Thanks David.
Gary
Thanks David.
Gary
Scouteyes
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Posted: Sunday, December 25, 2016 - 10:02 PM UTC
I'm not a Tiger one expert, but I did a little digging, and I don't understand how they got this so wrong. I didn't see any reference photos to support their version.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Sunday, December 25, 2016 - 10:17 PM UTC
What about the 5 central bolt heads (on the "hub") ?
Should these be aligned with the spokes or between the spokes?
There is a difference between Byrdens image and the resin pieces ....
/ Robin
Should these be aligned with the spokes or between the spokes?
There is a difference between Byrdens image and the resin pieces ....
/ Robin
Byrden
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Posted: Sunday, December 25, 2016 - 11:43 PM UTC
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What about the 5 central bolt heads (on the "hub") ?
Should these be aligned with the spokes or between the spokes?
It was pretty random. Probably because the bolt holes were not part of the casting form; they were drilled into the piece after it was cast.
David
Taeuss
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 04:51 AM UTC
And here I was thinking "Who Cared?" if they brought out another set of drive sprockets for a Tiger as the ones the kits come with are good enough for most, but David's post points to an inherent weakness where everything offered aftermarket MUST be better than the kit parts. Sometimes yes, sometimes -like this- no...
m4sherman
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 09:37 AM UTC
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I'm sorry to say that I have never seen a Tiger sprocket resembling your product.
In Tigers, the webs go between the teeth. You have put the webs at the teeth.
If you have a photo that matches your product, please post it and I will be glad to be corrected.
David
David,
Do you have Schneider's Tigers in Combat I? If so, check out the Tiger I on page 359 bottom. The Tiger is a steel rimmed version, and appears to have that sprocket. I say appears because it could be an optical illusion due to lighting. A lot of the color drawings in the book show that sprocket. If it is a real sprocket it must have been very rare.
Thanks,
Randy
Byrden
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 02:36 PM UTC
Well spotted! You've discovered something new about the Tiger.
The arms aren't even aligned exactly. It looks like a "Friday afternoon" job. I must look for more.
David
The arms aren't even aligned exactly. It looks like a "Friday afternoon" job. I must look for more.
David
m4sherman
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 08:48 PM UTC
Tigers in Combat I is a great book. After doing a another search through I found another, page 109 top. The next question is, why the difference?
My father worked in a machine shop as a precision drill operator doing repairs and fabrications on air plane parts. Once they got in a part to an engine intake that did not "fit". The manufacturer had drilled the mounting holes several degrees off. Maybe someone mounted the teeth ring on the jig wrong.
My father worked in a machine shop as a precision drill operator doing repairs and fabrications on air plane parts. Once they got in a part to an engine intake that did not "fit". The manufacturer had drilled the mounting holes several degrees off. Maybe someone mounted the teeth ring on the jig wrong.
Byrden
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 11:09 PM UTC
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I found another, page 109 top.
That one doesn't count, I'm afraid. The central hub is different. And we always knew about it.
The first batch of sprockets were made with this alignment (and with bulged central hubs). You will find them on some of the earliest Tigers, including the one on page 109. As explained in "DW to Tiger 1", the sprocket design was then altered to put the webs between the bolts.
One of these initial sprocket wheels survives today, on the Tiger in Fort Benning!
David
m4sherman
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 01:22 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextI found another, page 109 top.
That one doesn't count, I'm afraid. The central hub is different. And we always knew about it.
The first batch of sprockets were made with this alignment (and with bulged central hubs). You will find them on some of the earliest Tigers, including the one on page 109. As explained in "DW to Tiger 1", the sprocket design was then altered to put the webs between the bolts.
One of these initial sprocket wheels survives today, on the Tiger in Fort Benning!
David
Thanks for the information. I'll be keep looking when I have the time.
tatbaqui
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 04:34 AM UTC
Is this one example?
Headhunter506
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 05:02 AM UTC
Being that this is the Ft. Benning Tiger, yup.
Taeuss
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Posted: Thursday, December 29, 2016 - 02:18 AM UTC
Thanks for the photo!
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