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such a cute little tank!
doppelganger
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 04:28 AM UTC
came by this today at Emmett Idaho. What was the side plate for?
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doppelganger
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 04:31 AM UTC
Was this a very early model?
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 05:03 AM UTC
No answer for the model/early/late question
but
I think that the plates welded to the sides were extra armour over sensitive spots (ammo on the inside or something....)
"Early Sherman models were prone to burning when struck by high velocity rounds. An American survey carried out concluded that 65% of M4 Sherman tanks burnt out after being penetrated. United States Army research proved that the major reason for this was the stowage of main gun ammunition in the sponsons above the tracks. At first a partial remedy to ammunition fires in the M4 was found by welding one-inch thick appliqué armour plates to the sponson sides over the ammunition stowage bins. "
Text above copied from this web-site:
http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/vocabulary/vocabulary.html
There is also some other useful information there
/ Robin
but
I think that the plates welded to the sides were extra armour over sensitive spots (ammo on the inside or something....)
"Early Sherman models were prone to burning when struck by high velocity rounds. An American survey carried out concluded that 65% of M4 Sherman tanks burnt out after being penetrated. United States Army research proved that the major reason for this was the stowage of main gun ammunition in the sponsons above the tracks. At first a partial remedy to ammunition fires in the M4 was found by welding one-inch thick appliqué armour plates to the sponson sides over the ammunition stowage bins. "
Text above copied from this web-site:
http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/vocabulary/vocabulary.html
There is also some other useful information there
/ Robin
barkingdigger
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 05:34 AM UTC
Yep - that's an applique armor plate. These were fitted to tanks in the factory in the later stages of production, and retrofitted to existing tanks in the field as kits of parts.
The tank is a mixed bag of restored parts - the road wheels are spoked, but include some with plates welded on over the holes, which is an adaptation that was born of combat experience. The turret has the low-mounted lift rings of early production. We need to see it without all that snow!
The tank is a mixed bag of restored parts - the road wheels are spoked, but include some with plates welded on over the holes, which is an adaptation that was born of combat experience. The turret has the low-mounted lift rings of early production. We need to see it without all that snow!
Delbert
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 06:35 AM UTC
Howdy..
I enlarged the photo of the rear of the tank and didn't see any engine access doors, if that is so I think that would make the hull an M4A2, can't really see any other good id details though.
Delbert
I enlarged the photo of the rear of the tank and didn't see any engine access doors, if that is so I think that would make the hull an M4A2, can't really see any other good id details though.
Delbert
doppelganger
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 07:19 AM UTC
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yep, we have record snowfall here. thanks for all the replys. Serial # is 12593.Yep - that's an applique armor plate. These were fitted to tanks in the factory in the later stages of production, and retrofitted to existing tanks in the field as kits of parts.
The tank is a mixed bag of restored parts - the road wheels are spoked, but include some with plates welded on over the holes, which is an adaptation that was born of combat experience. The turret has the low-mounted lift rings of early production. We need to see it without all that snow!
doppelganger
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 07:21 AM UTC
No access door on the rear is what I viewed today. Headed out to the DMV which was closed 
saving grace is that I ran across this.
saving grace is that I ran across this.doppelganger
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 07:26 AM UTC
My new mission is to seek out all Sherman tanks in Idaho territory 
and take pics.
and take pics.
m4sherman
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 07:54 AM UTC
Based on the rear exhaust deflectors this is an early M4A3.
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Was this a very early model?
doppelganger
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 08:24 AM UTC
so that is what those things are, exhaust things 
cool.
cool.m4sherman
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 09:02 AM UTC
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so that is what those things are, exhaust things
Yes, it looks like they are rotated in the up position. The M4A2 and M4A3 look a lot alike from the rear, especially when covered with snow. From the details that can be seen I think the exhaust pipes are missing and blocked over on the lower hull rear plate.
In the side view the rear hull angle looks more M4A3. Hopefully you can get some more pictures after the spring thaw.
Thanks for posting these. It's always nice to see pictures of Shermans.
Bravo1102
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 09:06 AM UTC
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My new mission is to seek out all Sherman tanks in Idaho territory
Get out to Gowen Field. You'll see another M4A3 75mm remanufactured along with some other Idaho National Guard vehicles.
The Idaho National Guard used M4A3 75mm post war. Back in the day they had a pristine M60 in gloss olive drab they used for parades.
doppelganger
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 09:29 AM UTC
Been out there, nice small museum. I like attending the veteran events. I read that you were on a tank crew, huzzah! thanks for serving
Bravo1102
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 09:57 AM UTC
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Been out there, nice small museum. I like attending the veteran events. I read that you were on a tank crew, huzzah! thanks for serving
I did M1 transition training at Gowen Field. And got the worst head cold ever because of the high altitude.
doppelganger
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 10:39 AM UTC
Jersey is not a high altitude city?
hazzardm
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Posted: Monday, December 26, 2016 - 02:59 PM UTC
It's an M4A3 you can see in the rear picture both of the exhaust pipes inboard of the idler mounts.
Have you seen the US surviving vehicle list on this link
http://the.shadock.free.fr/The_USA_Historical_AFV_Register_4.0.pdf
it lists pretty much every vehicle in the usa by state
that may help in your quest
MJH
Have you seen the US surviving vehicle list on this link
http://the.shadock.free.fr/The_USA_Historical_AFV_Register_4.0.pdf
it lists pretty much every vehicle in the usa by state
that may help in your quest
MJH
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 06:29 AM UTC
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Serial # is 12593.
It's interesting that even though you had no idea what kind of tank it was you were able to correctly extract the SN from all the numbers visible. On many occasions I have given people information on exactly where to look for the SN on a particular tank and received nothing or the foundry marks off a nearby fire hydrant.
KL
doppelganger
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 06:42 AM UTC
The serial # is from the internet, not personally verified. http://wikimapia.org/26216609/Veterans-Memorial-M4A3-75-Sherman-tank
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 - 07:46 AM UTC
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The serial # is from the internet, not personally verified. http://wikimapia.org/26216609/Veterans-Memorial-M4A3-75-Sherman-tank
Oh . . .
KL
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 12:31 AM UTC
If (and I mean IF) that serial number is correct it should be a tank produced by Ford and the serial number should be easy to find:
Both images borrowed from this web-site:
http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/data/sherman_serials.html
and if I have misunderstood something I am certain that someone will bash me over the head (soon ...)
/ Robin
Both images borrowed from this web-site:
http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/data/sherman_serials.html
and if I have misunderstood something I am certain that someone will bash me over the head (soon ...)
/ Robin
Tank1812
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Posted: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 01:28 AM UTC
The tank in question. Match what can be seen in google.
doppelganger
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Posted: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 02:13 AM UTC
I will be back out there next week and have a closer look.
doppelganger
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Posted: Wednesday, December 28, 2016 - 05:15 AM UTC
yes indeed Ryan K, that is the one I came by.
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