RMG, WOULD LIKE TO ASK MODELLERS HOW LONG DOES EXIST THE REAL TOW CABLES ON TANKS SHOWING THEIR DETAILS ON SIGTH OF EVERYBODY TO SEE?

Now, its funny how brands like eureka xxl were doing their tow cables without extreme details ( like the ones RMG is adding recently to our tow cables range )and for a long time never adding extreme details and since that RMG start to innovate and show for the first time details in these parts that no one to date never done, this brand eureka is now copying the way RMG is doing their products.

They start to copy the idea, as this brand don’t have their own ideas, is more easy to steal others and this way to keep in business with their products and I bet that later will be the packages of the tow cables sets that will be modified based too on RMG new design, but even copying RMG product details, they don’t know to even how to copy as the details that they are showing in their products are not correct.

Sounds like you work for RMG

Getting a little confused ...
"but even copying RMG product details, they don’t know to even how to copy as the details that they are showing in their products are not correct"

Did they copy exactly and the copied details are wrong ?
Or are the RMG details correct and Eureka parts incorrect even if they copied them ?


Which idea is it that Eureka has copied ? How to make a scale replica of a steel wire ? Steel wires (1/1 scale) have had a core for many decades so that idea is not new ...

Please explain the idea that Eureka has copied.

/ Robin

Ricardo,
I don't get your point. I'm an old customer of Eureka and can tell you that they were doing such details well before RMG even exists.
But I can be proven wrong.

Last ref I used is the Boxer set with PE details which was designed in 2011.

Olivier

From his initials and the post , I'd say he IS RMG

Hello,
To clarify this matter will be explained once more what RMG is informing and is already stated in the previous post,

“Did they copy exactly and the copied details are wrong ?”

No, they didn’t copy exactly, they are trying to copy the details that RMG are introducing on the new products that we are releasing with details that no one to date did and RMG recently start to show, so the brand eureka never have this kind of details in their products, since the moment they saw the new products from RMG, they are starting to make the same based on our products., who that knows their products and who that know RMG products will know what are being affirmed here.

”Or are the RMG details correct and Eureka parts incorrect even if they copied them?”

Correct, RMG details on the range of tow cables are made based on the real ones and accurate with all the details seen on the real one, not the case on the brand eureka that have their design of eyelet parts incorrect even to modellers eyes seems that is correct, is not.

“Which idea is it that Eureka has copied ? How to make a scale replica of a steel wire ? Steel wires (1/1 scale) have had a core for many decades so that idea is not new ...”

What this brand are copying from RMG is our new design and extreme details on the resin eyelets for the tow cable sets, such as where metal cable is fixed, casting numbers, and other details that who have been fallowing RMG will know exactly what I am saying.
The brand eureka never did these kind of detail in their products till they see the new products from RMG.

“Ricardo,
I don't get your point. I'm an old customer of Eureka and can tell you that they were doing such details well before RMG even exists.
But I can be proven wrong.”

Hello Olivier, sorry but you are wrong, they can be in the market for more time than RMG, but the details that they have in their resin eyelets don’t get near the new products from RMG and they never had such details in their parts till now that they saw our products and are now changing that based in our detail parts.

Everybody can see it in RMG website about the resin eyelets details and can compare it with the brand eureka and take their own conclusions.

RMG knows very well that have no rights or patent on these new products design, but what is in stake here is that the brand eureka are looking for the ideas of others stealing that same ideas and their hard work, making later that is a concept of them and telling that they have great products and the true is that are based in others work.

Hi Ricardo, this is the first I've heard of your products. Do you have a website we can see them at? If you have a superior product, I'd certainly like to know about it!

Hello Rob,

Please fallow the links to RMG website and a link to Leopard Club that made a review on our recently new sets for the Leopard tank family,

http://rmgresinmodels.com/

http://leopardclub.ca/reviews/RMG/TowCables/

I apologise for the lack of a lot of information that are being add in RMG website and gradually will be there, for additional information’s please feel free to contact RMG email. Many thanks all.

Sorry but I still don't see your point Ricardo. Having an idea of your own or "stealing" it from a competitor is far from being able to turn in into reality. If Eureka found you had a great idea and decided to use it in turn, this is not copying unless you copyrighted the idea first.
Eureka could also state you have stolen their idea of making towing cables like theirs.
Fortunately for us customers, a lot of PE manufacturers "copies" Eduard when they were nearly the only ones in town. Now this gives us a lot of choice which is always good.
This is just commercial competition. Only the best will remain.

Olivier

Hi Ricardo,
Thanks for the explanation.
Let me see if I understood you correctly:
1. Eureka have been producing tow cables with some level of detail (cable & eylets).
2. RMG starts to produce tow cables (cable & eyelets) with more refined details.
3. Eureka realises that their products could have more details and start trying to make better detailed products.

Have I understood the situation correctly ?
If that is the case I would say that this is a completely normal situation in a capitalistic market. Producer A starts to notice or feel the competition from producer B and producer A realises that they need to improve their product (another option is to compete with lower prices).
If the "copied" idea is only the idea about better details then a lot of claims could be made against a lot of companies who have improved the level of details in their kits.

/ Robin

Without getting to deep into this subject ..... this is all about copper wire ... right ?
Not rocket science ?

Cheers
Christopher

I think it is to do with the resin eyes rather than the cable.

For God's sake...
This is like stating that Meng and other manufacturers had copied Renwal and started to also produce plastic kits...

If RMG products are so better and not too much more expensive, customers will make their choice with no doubts, no matter what Eureka or other manufacturers try.

Sorry, but I find this a nonsense topic, since you don't own the intellectual property of producing details in resin or any other media...
You can complain about that, but nothing else

Agreed.

So TL;DR is that Ricardo is part of RMG models, which has added a line of detailed aftermarket tow cables. He says that after they added this new line, Eureka Models started to add more details to their tow cables, but at a lower quality than those offered by RMG. He's saying that Eureka tried to "copy" RMG by adding detail to their tow cables, but that RMG adds better details.

This thread deserves no more attention. It's simply a poorly masked attempt to discredit a competitor using false claims and libel. Ricardo didn't even use a legitimate argument; RMG, nor any other company, has a patent on making tow cables. This is like if Aber said RB Models was copying them for putting extra rifling details into their metal barrels.

If anything, Ricardo has very much hurt the reputation of RMG; this thread should be locked, it doesn't add any value to the site.

Internet 101 : never trust a thread started with an ALL CAPS subject, LOL.

... copy that!

Well, at least Ricardo managed to draw my attention to Eureka,
I think I may have to get myself a few of those sets, the cables in some kits are horrible .....

Some review I found on the net says that the RMG sets are very nice too.

Maybe the best for us modellers woud be if the various manufacturers chose different subjects instead of bashing each other over the head competing with the same subjects ...

/ Robin

You probably should tell people that you are RMG.
Keeping that point hidden kind of makes this look suspicious.

Yes, I think it is about showing the cable locking spelter socket on the inside of the eye (which looks like a small recess).

I was also thinking that based on the OP's tale, the model he used as an example might have used Eureka parts with the modeler's own detailing, and it's that modeler's work that RMG has confused with Eureka's and is criticizing. Wouldn't that be funny?

KL

Just a shameless plug trying to pull in customers.
Well if I can I will use the kits tow cable but if needed I shall buy Eureka XXL.

Topic should now be locked

A few words: Great PR on Christmas, Ricardo!. I in share:). This is my photo and my model.

The cables were purchased in 2014. You were silent for 2 years ? strange....

What a saga, this could be made into a Hollywood blockbuster

Hi Vladimir,
Have you published a build log or more images somewhere ?
I would like to see more of your build
I missed it in 2014
/ Robin