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Posted: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 - 10:49 PM UTC
I see these threads from time to time, and I wonder why I have been so lucky. Yes, there are unscrupulous vendors out there, but a little research here should help one avoid that. I have ordered TONS of stuff from Hong Kong. The only problems were from the US Post Office who occasionally doesn't leave a slip when they don't deliver something (last week they didn't attempt the package pick-up I scheduled).

Ladies & gentlemen, the era of the LHS is O-V-E-R. They are closing or else hardly carry anything any longer. If you aren't going to take advantage of online ordering, well, I don't know how you will stay in the hobby unless you go to shows (and increasingly the selection of kits at shows has fallen off from previous years).
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Posted: Wednesday, June 07, 2017 - 11:58 PM UTC

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Ladies & gentlemen, the era of the LHS is O-V-E-R. They are closing or else hardly carry anything any longer. If you aren't going to take advantage of online ordering, well, I don't know how you will stay in the hobby unless you go to shows (and increasingly the selection of kits at shows has fallen off from previous years).



I've noticed the same thing at shows...which makes me wonder about two things...if shows are still going to viable down the road (vendor table sales pay the "rent") and second, is it even worth it for vendors to go to a show because they can sell on the internet without the headaches of a show.

I think the lack of selection is indicative of this...the explosion of kit releases over the past 15 years or so, which means people don't buy multiple copies of the same kit (i.e. I'll build a M4A2 out of this M4A3 with some resin aftermarket) and manufactures doing the same subject, which complicates stocking of those kits.

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Well, I have a different nightmare story, which I wasn't going to share, but another modeler told me I should. It involves two domestic shippers (USA). The first is Weta Workshop. When the new 1/32 Wingnut Wngs Sopwith Camels were announced for "preorder" back on January 2nd 2017, my wife ordered one through thier Weta shipper, which happens to be 27 miles from my home. They took an $11 deposit/shipping fee on my credit card. The kits were then released to Sprue Brothers models in February, and began shipping immediately from that distributor. I waited patiently for my kit, and finally started emailing WnW and my wife started emailing Weta, we kept getting replies stating the kits had not arrived yet (my correspondence with WnW was more positive, and it seemed they too were exasperated with Weta). We waited through March, April and finally, after threatening to go to our state's fraud office, the kit showed up in early May-- unfortunately not the kit we ordered, it was a comparable kit though-- one of thier other Sopwith Camels. They charged the same amount of postage to ship it 27 miles than I would have paid to ship it 500 miles. To make up for the problems though, a few weeks after I received my "wrong" kit, they did send out one of thier fine Windsock monographs on the Sopwith at no charge, which was a surprise. What I find ironic though is the package with the monograph took two days to ship from New Zealand while the kit took nearly 5 months from 27 miles away!



I had an interesting run in with WNW myself...I ordered a couple kits and they came really quick...like a week or two. The thing that was screwed up was that I got someone elses order along with mine. I found the guy on Hyperscale and told him, he contacted WNW to get his kits and they sent them to me AGAIN! I winded up putting them in the mail for him and I think I kept the two kits I had from them as extras and sold them.
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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2017 - 12:39 AM UTC

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I see these threads from time to time, and I wonder why I have been so lucky. Yes, there are unscrupulous vendors out there, but a little research here should help one avoid that.



Pretty sure I didn't get ripped-off. I only order from ebay vendors who have 99%+ positive feed-back. If that really means anything! And the other place is BNA Modelworld in Australia. I've ordered from them before, but this time it's taking much longer.
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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2017 - 01:02 AM UTC
Not sure if I'm more patient or more blasé about this.

When I order on line I never care, in the least, how long it takes. I never order for an immediate build, but for the stash, so if the model shows up in a year I couldn't care less. As long as it shows up.

2-3 months from China by slow boat is just fine if it's cheaper. As it turns out some of the Luck Model shipping options are cheaper by parcel air (or whatever) than by pure surface, but I'm all about the cheaper and not the speed.

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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2017 - 01:09 AM UTC
I buy all my model kits online over the past 10 years at least.
The price differences are huge. It sad as I wonder how local shops will survive?

I only buy paints, glues and tools from the local shops. This year I started sourcing tools online too.

It is 50/50 split on the shipping method between air and surface. Surface shipping from HK to Canada takes just over 3 months. Two weeks by air from HK to Canada. When I buy kits from eBay, it takes between 2 to 4 weeks to get my parcel. Purchase from Amazon (shipped from Japan) it takes 2 to 8 weeks to receive the parcel.
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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2017 - 08:03 AM UTC
I've been using mostly scalehobbyist the last # of yrs w/o any issues, replacing a missing item n/c, but also mega, hobbylinc, evilbay, and even verlinden recently. No major issues. Many years back I used roll and squadron, also no problems of note.
Recently an order from Japan for the -1/48 tamiya us army staff car m1942- arrived after easily being 5wks in transit purgatory. I took a chance bc of the price and free shipping. The quoted ship time was supposed to be 3wks, and I have to agree w/ Anthony in that I just waited and looked at it as a surprise when it finally appeared. I wasn't needing it right away anyways.
HOWEVER: This kit's not too big, and not heavy at all. Well they essentially threw it into an old-school paper grocery bag, folded over the top and sides and taped it up. Nice. The poor kit took the proper brunt of it, being pancaked when I found it at my door.
Luckily the only damage was to the clear sprue, a heavy crack just missing the rear window. This is an easy fix, and thankfully not the car's body

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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2017 - 08:18 AM UTC
I had the same brown paper packaging on a couple of direct from Japan Amazon purchases. The one that ran over the projected time was due to a Northeast snow storm stopping mail delivery for a day.

I can be very fastidious with following the tracking information. When ordering from Eastern Europe I was able to track the day the box would arrive and arranged to be home to meet it at the door.

Another time a noticed an item was stuck at the Chinese post office and an email to the seller got the kit moving again.
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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2017 - 08:43 AM UTC
I order all of my hobby related items online — no other options are available to me. You get used to it after awhile.

A nice feature that Scale Hobbyist provides on their website, is severe weather shipping delay notification.

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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2017 - 08:19 PM UTC

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And the other place is BNA Modelworld in Australia. I've ordered from them before, but this time it's taking much longer.



I've waited as long as three-four weeks from BNA, and other times, I've gotten stuff in 10 days
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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2017 - 09:30 PM UTC
Just got a notice from ebay that they are tagging me with an additional three percent charge on my purchases.

Now add on the high cost of mail from the US and suddenly I lose a whole area I buy from.

With the delays from China, up to six weeks and they also charge in US dollars, my model budget, what was left for the year, is gone.
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Posted: Thursday, June 08, 2017 - 09:34 PM UTC
Just raise the debt ceiling Richard!
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Its slightly off topic but I do wish someone would start a lobby to have US reintroduce surface mail as the air mail rates are out of control.
I usually dont care of something takes months to arrive, especially modelling, have plenty to build and can always use air if needed. It has become almost impossible to support US with the restrictions, excepting the large chains that manage the postage globally like Amazon.
I know its only non US it hurts but surely it also impacts on US retailers who must have lost international customers.
Is there amechanism to have this reintroduced?
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2017 - 02:31 AM UTC

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And the other place is BNA Modelworld in Australia. I've ordered from them before, but this time it's taking much longer.



I've waited as long as three-four weeks from BNA, and other times, I've gotten stuff in 10 days



BNA Modelworld is my favorite supplier. I always see my order within a week. But I live in Australia.

I regularly ship gifts to family in the US. I choose the shipping method that costs the least but still offers tracking. This is the guarantee I get from Australia post:

Guaranteed that the packages would reach the US in ten days. After that, the parcels are under the mercies of the US postal system.

Sometimes it takes less than another week, sometimes 4 weeks.

Unless you pay for the highest rate, your overseas shipment may be delayed by your local mail service.

Gaz
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2017 - 03:29 AM UTC

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And the other place is BNA Modelworld in Australia. I've ordered from them before, but this time it's taking much longer.



I've waited as long as three-four weeks from BNA, and other times, I've gotten stuff in 10 days



BNA Modelworld is my favorite supplier. I always see my order within a week. But I live in Australia.

I regularly ship gifts to family in the US. I choose the shipping method that costs the least but still offers tracking. This is the guarantee I get from Australia post:

Guaranteed that the packages would reach the US in ten days. After that, the parcels are under the mercies of the US postal system.

Sometimes it takes less than another week, sometimes 4 weeks.

Unless you pay for the highest rate, your overseas shipment may be delayed by your local mail service.

Gaz



Had no issues with BNA, really good service and great selection, plus they seem to have hard to find products.
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2017 - 04:36 AM UTC

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Its slightly off topic but I do wish someone would start a lobby to have US reintroduce surface mail as the air mail rates are out of control.
I usually dont care of something takes months to arrive, especially modelling, have plenty to build and can always use air if needed. It has become almost impossible to support US with the restrictions, excepting the large chains that manage the postage globally like Amazon.
I know its only non US it hurts but surely it also impacts on US retailers who must have lost international customers.
Is there amechanism to have this reintroduced?



Yes, the same one as removed it.

The likelihood of it coming back is nil. (As an engineer, I cannot say something is zero unless it is certain that it is zero. For everyone else, trust me, it's zero.)

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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2017 - 05:04 AM UTC
is 15 years I buy online, not just within our hobby and I purchases around the world, usually before buying from a shop or unknown person I look for some feedback,in a few hundred transactions i had only 4 problems with sellers, 2 from private and 2 from shops,but nothing serius, for the rest if something was late it was always to blame or post or the Custom,most of the times the Custom likes to keep the parcels resting in their warehouses For days and days.

There is also to be said that posts around the world work in a way that we find very strange to us ordinary mortals, I'm waiting for a piece for my car from the USA and my package at the time left Illinois to NY then NJ And now is in Kentucky!?!?!?!? .... why?... ...Fried Chicken wish?...

Maybe they think my Brake Master Cylinder here in Oz will have nostalgia of the States and then make them the last tour so they have some nice memories of Home???? !!!....
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I buy 99 % of my modeling goods on line - eBay for OOP / hard to find stuff and retailers for the rest . All things considered ( price , service , selection etc .) you
simply cannot top SprueBros IMHO . Scale Hobbyist is very close with only a fractional difference in shipping times . I still buy some things from Squadron but I dislike the " show me competitors price " bit and the " in stock soon " jargon .
The only purchasing I have done from Asia is HLJ and I have had nothing but very positive experiences with them - I particularly like their "private warehouse " function that allows you to stockpile items as they become available and then ship them together. My LHS has diversified with toys, games ,dolls etc. and is still very viable but I live in a resort area with a captive consumer market for three hectic summer months when our year round population of approximately 11,000 can swell to 250,000 plus on a holiday weekend - when it rains mom and dad hit the hobby /toy shops to placate the restless young people.
I have only recently begun attending shows and I really enjoy rooting through the tables for old kits , bargains, etc. - nothing like holding it in your hand to wear your resistance down !
Online buying is here to stay gents - and this admission is coming from a confirmed Luddite and possibly the most change resistant creature on the planet .
Get used to it .
Happy modeling AND buying! - Richard
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2017 - 05:25 AM UTC
Depends where you live and how the seller posts/ships and when.
I can get something from china in seven days. From the U.S it can take up to a month or more. I only pay for parcels to be sent by air. Sometimes some sellers may post everyday some might post once a week, which means if you miss that day it could be a week before the seller even gets it to the postal service/office.
I normally find a good seller with fast postage and price and just stick with them.
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2017 - 05:47 AM UTC

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I see these threads from time to time, and I wonder why I have been so lucky. Yes, there are unscrupulous vendors out there, but a little research here should help one avoid that. I have ordered TONS of stuff from Hong Kong. The only problems were from the US Post Office who occasionally doesn't leave a slip when they don't deliver something (last week they didn't attempt the package pick-up I scheduled).

Ladies & gentlemen, the era of the LHS is O-V-E-R. They are closing or else hardly carry anything any longer. If you aren't going to take advantage of online ordering, well, I don't know how you will stay in the hobby unless you go to shows (and increasingly the selection of kits at shows has fallen off from previous years).




Agree a 110%
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2017 - 07:25 AM UTC
Hello, I finally found out thru hit and miss, how to order from china, the international airports out of Beijing, and Hong kong, never wait longer than 14 days at the most to receive my kits. . There is only a few sellers out of the ukranian area that are good shippers.

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