I am wanting to do another Tiger build other than my future Witmann version and came across this.
Any input on its validity? It is supposed to be a captured Russian during Kursk?
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Blue Tiger camo?
Mrclark7
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 07:17 AM UTC
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 07:24 AM UTC
The key at the bottom says it's "Panzer Grey", not blue.
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 07:26 AM UTC
Its not blue, its grey.
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 07:27 AM UTC
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The key at the bottom says it's "Panzer Grey", not blue.
Darn, you beat me to it!
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 07:33 AM UTC
The color to which you're referring is supposed to be RAL 7021 Panzergrau. It's a very dark gray, almost black in appearance. For the purpose of showing it on the painting diagram, it is depicted as a light blue; otherwise, it would blot out details.
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 07:35 AM UTC
got it, thanks
PanzerKarl
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 03:03 PM UTC
There are some good photos of this Tiger from the 505th for your future reference build.
Just google Tiger tank 300 and you will see some Russian soldiers climbing all over it.
Just google Tiger tank 300 and you will see some Russian soldiers climbing all over it.
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 05:17 PM UTC
The colours of those "505" Tigers are not known certainly. They have dark bands over light. In some photos it seems clear that there were 2 dark colours, e.g. this photo:
I think that the light colour is RAL 8020 and the two dark colours are the standard red and green of 1943. Certainly these Tigers were not delivered from the factory in "Panzer Grey".
That model painting guide assumes that the 505 battalion got hold of the old pre-1940 colours, dark brown and dark grey, and used them as camouflage. It's not impossible but I don't think it's necessary to explain what we see. You can get a dark effect by using the red and green.
David
I think that the light colour is RAL 8020 and the two dark colours are the standard red and green of 1943. Certainly these Tigers were not delivered from the factory in "Panzer Grey".
That model painting guide assumes that the 505 battalion got hold of the old pre-1940 colours, dark brown and dark grey, and used them as camouflage. It's not impossible but I don't think it's necessary to explain what we see. You can get a dark effect by using the red and green.
David
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 05:35 PM UTC
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That model painting guide assumes that the 505 battalion got hold of the old pre-1940 colours, dark brown and dark grey, and used them as camouflage. It's not impossible but I don't think it's necessary to explain what we see. You can get a dark effect by using the red and green.
They may have assumed that they were delivered in Dark Grey and then overpainted with yellow and brown -which is marginally more possible than the old grey+brown as a base...
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 06:11 PM UTC
Well, according to the 505 diary, these Tigers of the 3rd company were delivered in "tropical camouflage". That's not very clear but there were only 2 "tropical" schemes authorised for the factories. The first scheme is medium dark. The second is grey over a light tan base (RAL 8020).
I'm assuming that the tanks arrived in a single light colour, like this new Tiger, and the writer called it "tropical". On that basis it could be Dunkelgelb or RAL 8020.
Comparing these Tigers to others of the time, the light base colour does seem unusually light. That would mean it's RAL 8020.
Then we have to ask, where did the company get 2 dark colours to paint the dark bands on these tanks? The grey that was issued in the second "tropical" scheme wasn't really dark enough. The simplest answer is that they got the standard red and green paints and spread them thickly. There are a few Tigers at training schools that have a similar appearance, although most tanks serving at the front didn't use the paint in this way.
We may never know.
David
I'm assuming that the tanks arrived in a single light colour, like this new Tiger, and the writer called it "tropical". On that basis it could be Dunkelgelb or RAL 8020.
Comparing these Tigers to others of the time, the light base colour does seem unusually light. That would mean it's RAL 8020.
Then we have to ask, where did the company get 2 dark colours to paint the dark bands on these tanks? The grey that was issued in the second "tropical" scheme wasn't really dark enough. The simplest answer is that they got the standard red and green paints and spread them thickly. There are a few Tigers at training schools that have a similar appearance, although most tanks serving at the front didn't use the paint in this way.
We may never know.
David
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 06:14 PM UTC
Hi, maybe some mix at the factory, or new paint test?
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=imgres&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi81dWo87rUAhUCRiYKHacUAy8QjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nolimitszone.com%2Ftiger-1-pzkpfw-vi-factory-production&psig=AFQjCNG9h8OWjTM7Dbt071C60OiLJ3Zjmw&ust=1497446032680589
Regards from the south
Álvaro
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=imgres&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi81dWo87rUAhUCRiYKHacUAy8QjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nolimitszone.com%2Ftiger-1-pzkpfw-vi-factory-production&psig=AFQjCNG9h8OWjTM7Dbt071C60OiLJ3Zjmw&ust=1497446032680589
Regards from the south
Álvaro
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 06:21 PM UTC
I read the article at "no limits zone" and well, that is 2 minutes I'll never get back. Wrong "fake facts" all over it.
And I don't mean he made mistakes that a serious researcher would fix; he made mistakes that 2 minutes with Google would fix. Shame on him.
David
And I don't mean he made mistakes that a serious researcher would fix; he made mistakes that 2 minutes with Google would fix. Shame on him.
David
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 09:28 PM UTC
Badly written article he couldn't even spell Zimmerit right.
Zimmereit.
Zimmereit.
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Posted: Monday, June 12, 2017 - 09:35 PM UTC
And it's not like you could even point it out to him that there are errors, as I find most people who published non-researched articles tend to shrug you off and continue on in ignorance.
Like the Ausf A nonsense - he'll ignore that because OBVIOUSLY A comes before B, so how could the Tiger I be a E? We're wrong, he's right.
Like the Ausf A nonsense - he'll ignore that because OBVIOUSLY A comes before B, so how could the Tiger I be a E? We're wrong, he's right.