Greetings,
Here is my build progress for the M47 Patton. Sorry for the shoddy camera quality - will be taking better photos later. The photos show the tank in a darker shade than it ought to be.
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M47 Patton (Italeri)
kunjuro
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 12:37 PM UTC
bison126
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 12:57 PM UTC
Looks good but you should remove the assembly line of the turret halves.
Olivier
Olivier
kunjuro
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 01:20 PM UTC
Isn't there a natural weldseam that goes along that line though? Tis was the reason I didn't remove it prior to painting (or at least from what I recall)
bison126
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 05:15 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Isn't there a natural weldseam that goes along that line though? Tis was the reason I didn't remove it prior to painting (or at least from what I recall)
The turret was cast not welded.
Here is a picture of the turret.
Olivier
Bravo1102
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 05:40 PM UTC
There is a weld seam between the two parts of the casting, but as the photo of the museum tank shows it's lower. Though some tanks have it higher but it's not a gap like that. On some tanks it has rough machining but not a gap. I have even seen one where it was nearly machined flat. (The old Patton armor museum M47 IIRC)
Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 05:49 PM UTC
Technically it is a casting seam, not a weld. The sand moulds are made in several parts that fit together before the steel is poured, and the edges where the moulds meet often crumble a bit, leaving lumpy rough blobs that need to be removed with an angle-grinder. The resulting finish varies from tank to tank, with some looking like there isn't a seam at all, and others having big flat spots - it al depends on the guy with the grinder.
Bear in mind your dark glossy paint will look a few shades lighter once you hit it with a clear matte coat!
Bear in mind your dark glossy paint will look a few shades lighter once you hit it with a clear matte coat!
bison126
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 06:16 PM UTC
Two other M47 preserved in French museums or barracks.
For what it's worth.
Olivier
For what it's worth.
Olivier
Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 08:01 PM UTC
Nigel,
Good M-47.
Group - great info about the seam. I plan to build this kit someday and this answers questions I have had.
BTW, I can't recall his name but a few years ago a member who is/was a tanker in the Italian army built his Italeri M-47 and put lots of extras onto it. There is a good blog of it here in the forums.
Good M-47.
Group - great info about the seam. I plan to build this kit someday and this answers questions I have had.
BTW, I can't recall his name but a few years ago a member who is/was a tanker in the Italian army built his Italeri M-47 and put lots of extras onto it. There is a good blog of it here in the forums.
Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 08:05 PM UTC
Okay, I was inspired to find it. Here it is: https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/194103&page=1
kunjuro
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 08:57 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextIsn't there a natural weldseam that goes along that line though? Tis was the reason I didn't remove it prior to painting (or at least from what I recall)
The turret was cast not welded.
Here is a picture of the turret.
Olivier
Quoted Text
There is a weld seam between the two parts of the casting, but as the photo of the museum tank shows it's lower. Though some tanks have it higher but it's not a gap like that. On some tanks it has rough machining but not a gap. I have even seen one where it was nearly machined flat. (The old Patton armor museum M47 IIRC)
Thanks to all the clarification guys! This helps me a lot as I have another Italeri M47 lined up after this... thinking of looking for more info on what it would take to make this into either a West German or a Jordanian Vehicle (with the desert camo). I don't want to touch the decals or the paint on the turret so I'll just put this lesson to good use on the next kit.
Unfortunately, I hit a snag while building the kit. After weathering the tracks with vallejo pigments and enamels, it disintegrated after I wrapped it around the tank again. After adding more fuel to the flames (I liberally spread super glue out of frustration on the kit), I took a leaf out of old moldelers advice and used staple wire to fix the tracks. It looks ugly, and there is damage present on the tracks but at least I won't have to purchase AM tracks nor abandon the build altogether. I'm going to put a dullcoat on it and sleep for the night. I am considering putting the side skirts on just to hide the damaged parts.
vettejack
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 - 11:54 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextIsn't there a natural weldseam that goes along that line though? Tis was the reason I didn't remove it prior to painting (or at least from what I recall)
The turret was cast not welded.
Here is a picture of the turret.
OlivierQuoted TextThere is a weld seam between the two parts of the casting, but as the photo of the museum tank shows it's lower. Though some tanks have it higher but it's not a gap like that. On some tanks it has rough machining but not a gap. I have even seen one where it was nearly machined flat. (The old Patton armor museum M47 IIRC)
Thanks to all the clarification guys! This helps me a lot as I have another Italeri M47 lined up after this... thinking of looking for more info on what it would take to make this into either a West German or a Jordanian Vehicle (with the desert camo). I don't want to touch the decals or the paint on the turret so I'll just put this lesson to good use on the next kit.
Unfortunately, I hit a snag while building the kit. After weathering the tracks with vallejo pigments and enamels, it disintegrated after I wrapped it around the tank again. After adding more fuel to the flames (I liberally spread super glue out of frustration on the kit), I took a leaf out of old moldelers advice and used staple wire to fix the tracks. It looks ugly, and there is damage present on the tracks but at least I won't have to purchase AM tracks nor abandon the build altogether. I'm going to put a dullcoat on it and sleep for the night. I am considering putting the side skirts on just to hide the damaged parts.
I've been working 4 M47's at the same time for the past 2 years...replacing kit shortcomings with as much aftermarket fixes that I can. In that effort, I have gone pretty much with aftermarket tracks.
Hate seeing a modeler stuck because of missing/bad parts, so, I have an extra set of kit tracks if you would like to have them. Free. Just PM me with a name and address.
jasegreene
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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 - 01:22 AM UTC
Your M-47 does look great for the age of the kit.Even after looking at these photos and reading what others have said about midway around the turret has helped too for me.
Northern_Lad
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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 - 01:44 AM UTC
Your M47 looks grand! I've built a couple of the Italeri M47s and it is a very nice kit given its age. Keep going!
Cheers
Matthew
Cheers
Matthew
kunjuro
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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 - 06:56 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I've been working 4 M47's at the same time for the past 2 years...replacing kit shortcomings with as much aftermarket fixes that I can. In that effort, I have gone pretty much with aftermarket tracks.
Hate seeing a modeler stuck because of missing/bad parts, so, I have an extra set of kit tracks if you would like to have them. Free. Just PM me with a name and address.
Thank you for the offer! Unfortunately, I live halfway across the globe so I don't think it will be worth the trouble for you to send it Really appreciate the offer though.
Here's what she looks like so far. I'm considering hiding the damaged parts of the tracks behind the optional sand shields...which brings me to my question: How regularly where the sand shields/skirts fitted to the vehicles? As far as I can tell fron the photos I've seen, the shields were only equipped in the factory or during tests. Were they actually used in the field?
ptruhe
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 02:48 AM UTC
Can you hide it under a roadwheel which will push it flat?
kunjuro
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Posted: Friday, September 08, 2017 - 09:25 PM UTC
Hey all. Done installing the side skirts to hide the dam,age. Added some oil washes and pigments to give it an overall dusty look (to hide the mistakes and damages I made to the kit hehe). Hoping to portray it as a vehicle out in field exercises hence all the dirt.
sgtreef
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Posted: Friday, September 08, 2017 - 09:35 PM UTC
Looks good.
Came out swell.
Nice job.
Came out swell.
Nice job.
JSSVIII
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Posted: Saturday, September 09, 2017 - 01:22 AM UTC
Nice job Nigel, I have built that kit also. I thought it was a very nice kit, it holds its own very well.
alchemymike
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Posted: Saturday, September 09, 2017 - 02:01 AM UTC
nice job
bat-213
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Posted: Saturday, September 09, 2017 - 03:44 AM UTC
great job ,those side skirts hide the trak problem ,well done .
phantom8747
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Posted: Saturday, September 09, 2017 - 06:18 PM UTC
Worst part of the Italeri kit is the stiff brittle tracks.