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Bronco: Next Cruiser TankPosted: Friday, September 15, 2017 - 02:00 AM UTC
Bronco Models are never slow at following up one release with the next offering of the A10 family of tanks.
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Chippyrail
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Posted: Friday, September 15, 2017 - 02:53 PM UTC
This is a pain this one coming out second, I bought the first one before I read the review from PMMS & realized that the first version was only used in Britain & France! From these photos it is obvious that Bronco has not done anything to address the problem of missing rivets on the sides of the intakes/vents behind the turret. These are really prominent areas & if as somebody said they couldn't mold the parts as they are, why couldn't Bronc do etched overlays? The framing for the POW can holder looks a bit thick, in their A13 kit the plastic version is finer albeit in one piece.
JSSVIII
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Posted: Friday, September 15, 2017 - 03:25 PM UTC
It's nice to see that other camo schemes are available to build with this release. I'm still going to wait to see the Gecko release first.
Bellerophon
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Posted: Saturday, September 16, 2017 - 03:39 AM UTC
PMMS is excellent, but I think Terry Ashley may be mistaken in this case. Google A10 cruiser tank and you'll find photos of it without the desert modifications that must have been taken in N Africa.
Taeuss
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Posted: Saturday, September 16, 2017 - 06:50 AM UTC
Being largely oblivious to this I'm pleased to see the kit and figure that details and corrections are either up to us or our bank account (IE: after market) I'm just glad to have another option for these weird 'n wonderful vehicles.
Chippyrail
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Posted: Saturday, September 16, 2017 - 01:25 PM UTC
I have looked on Google many times & have just looked again & I can't see any photos of A10s in the desert without the mods. For more information on the tanks look at British Cruiser Tanks A9 & A10 (Armor PhotoHistory) by Peter Brown this is an excellent book & gives all the details & plans of both books.
TerancekW
Hong Kong S.A.R. / 繁體
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Posted: Saturday, September 16, 2017 - 01:52 PM UTC
Anything can put on the tank can be put down from the tank, such as during repair and maintenance, such as due to combat loss, and etc.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Saturday, September 16, 2017 - 05:00 PM UTC
Combat loss and modifcations done by various crews will not account for missing bolts. For those who care about the bolts I am fairly certain that AM-vendors will come to the rescue, scratching some bolt heads should be possible for those who are experienced enough to care
Apart from the above I only have this to say:
Nut Screws Washer And Bolts.
/ Robin
Apart from the above I only have this to say:
Nut Screws Washer And Bolts.
/ Robin
mogdude
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Posted: Saturday, September 16, 2017 - 06:45 PM UTC
Seems like an odd location for a fuel tank esp. in combat as depicted
Venko555
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Posted: Saturday, September 16, 2017 - 08:43 PM UTC
So is it better to wait for this one, although there's no desert markings included?
Bellerophon
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Posted: Sunday, September 17, 2017 - 02:26 AM UTC
@Chippyrail: Here's a picture of an A9 and 2 A10s, all lacking desert modifications, at least one of which has Caunter camo. I don't know where this could be but N. Africa. My theory is the desert mods didn't start being applied until after they arrived in 1940. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kg8sGWBsj5k/WWzBDrgvNFI/AAAAAAACF8k/iZR7pZ44f3gOxj4MjtNlqp4kFO_kPBeyQCLcBGAs/s1600/cruiser-mk-i-cs-a9-mk-iia-a10-01.png
vettejack
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Posted: Sunday, September 17, 2017 - 06:13 AM UTC
As tanks go...could this not be the most ucking fugly thing going?
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Sunday, September 17, 2017 - 12:38 PM UTC
Quoted Text
As tanks go...could this not be the most ucking fugly thing going?
I think it is a very tight race with this one:
Vickers Mk II
/ Robin
TerancekW
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Posted: Sunday, September 17, 2017 - 03:16 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Combat loss and modifcations done by various crews will not account for missing bolts. For those who care about the bolts I am fairly certain that AM-vendors will come to the rescue, scratching some bolt heads should be possible for those who are experienced enough to care
Apart from the above I only have this to say:
Nut Screws Washer And Bolts.
/ Robin
Based on the box-art, we cannot confirm the missing bolts were still missing or already added back.
Slide mold is good, but PE can be a better alternative to add them back.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Sunday, September 17, 2017 - 03:32 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextCombat loss and modifcations done by various crews will not account for missing bolts. For those who care about the bolts I am fairly certain that AM-vendors will come to the rescue, scratching some bolt heads should be possible for those who are experienced enough to care
Apart from the above I only have this to say:
Nut Screws Washer And Bolts.
/ Robin
Based on the box-art, we cannot confirm the missing bolts were still missing or already added back.
Slide mold is good, but PE can be a better alternative to add them back.
Facts first, criticism later? Sounds like a Very good idea
/ Robin
Venko555
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 10:27 AM UTC
Hm, why they took away the desert markings, in the same time adding the desert mods?
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - 12:34 PM UTC
JSSVIII
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Posted: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - 02:57 PM UTC
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http://www.militarymodelling.com/news/article/new-bronco-1-35-cruiser-tank-mki-i-cs-british-cruiser-tank-a9-a9-cs-cb35149/25692
/ Rivet, rivet, rivet
Nice, but I'll still wait to see what Gecko comes up with before I choose on this one.
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - 03:05 PM UTC
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Quoted Texthttp://www.militarymodelling.com/news/article/new-bronco-1-35-cruiser-tank-mki-i-cs-british-cruiser-tank-a9-a9-cs-cb35149/25692
/ Rivet, rivet, rivet
Nice, but I'll still wait to see what Gecko comes up with before I choose on this one.
I presume that you did notice that some of the images show the A10 and might answer some questions about incorrect rivets ;-)
/ Robin
A9 by Gecko:
http://www.track-link.com/forums/news_industry/34393/flat
JSSVIII
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Posted: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - 03:54 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted Texthttp://www.militarymodelling.com/news/article/new-bronco-1-35-cruiser-tank-mki-i-cs-british-cruiser-tank-a9-a9-cs-cb35149/25692
/ Rivet, rivet, rivet
Nice, but I'll still wait to see what Gecko comes up with before I choose on this one.
I presume that you did notice that some of the images show the A10 and might answer some questions about incorrect rivets ;-)
/ Robin
A9 by Gecko:
http://www.track-link.com/forums/news_industry/34393/flat
Sorry about that Robin, yes I did. I should have posted that reply on one of the following A-9 threads, but I hadn't seen them yet, this was at the top.
That's why I shouldn't post after just getting out of bed, LOL!
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Monday, November 27, 2017 - 04:46 PM UTC
Terry Ashley has updated his review with descriptions of the corrections that Bronco has made to fix the mistakes/omissions in their earlier A10 (North Africa version). Corrected mistakes and added new parts that were missing from the N.A. version:
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/bronco/cb35151.html
/ Robin
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/bronco/cb35151.html
/ Robin