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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 04:13 AM UTC
Some can argue that modelling is still a thriving hobby; but not in Montreal, Canada. Just found out that Udisco (International Hobbies) is closing early January next year. That leaves one other major hobby store (Hobby Junction), and a few hobby/toys/games stores who have maybe a couple of shelves of old Tamiya kits.
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Brick-and-mortar retail is going bust across all sectors, not just hobby stores.
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Brick-and-mortar retail is going bust across all sectors, not just hobby stores.



Ditto, here. The hobby culture has changed along with how it is marketed.

Bob
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 06:54 AM UTC

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Brick-and-mortar retail is going bust across all sectors, not just hobby stores.



Ditto, here. The hobby culture has changed along with how it is marketed.

Bob



Same for book and music stores.


I live 2 hours from the nearest model shop. There is a major hobby/craft store less than 30 from in 2 different directions.
But the Sprue Brothers and many other great model stores are in my lap as I type this.
It's just a change in the market.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 07:14 AM UTC
Well, the local store here seems to be going fine enough, I suppose...
But, Personally, the biggest deterrant to me (As someone working with a rather tight budget) is the rather massive price increase when buying a kit in-store, and usually needing to order anything I'm interested in within my price range.
For example, I bought Meng's Leopard 2A7 (75$ w/ customs), and Tiger's AMX-30B2 (59$ w/ customs) in the last couple months, Both got here pretty quick (2 weeks for the 2A7, 3 for the AMX)... But, if I were to buy them here, it would have been about 98$ for the 2A7, and 130$ for the AMX!

So... Really, I only go there for supplies nowadays (Rarely, at that.). Buying kits at those prices is near impossible for me due to life reasons (Unable to work due to health 'issues'), and even if I 'could' justify the cost, I'd much rather use the money saved from buying online on any supplies I need.

PS: If anyone knows a good online retailer for paints, preferably in Canada, let me know!
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 07:23 AM UTC
Considering that all the major brick and mortar retailers are going through really tough times, no wonder hobby shops are hard hit. If a Sears, Macy*s or Toys R Us is going in and out of bankruptcy it's even harder on small retailers. Though from what I have heard Hobby lobby is doing well.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 11:29 AM UTC
A vendor at a show I attended recently said something to the effect that the hobby is dying and he pointed to the average age of those attending the show as proof--almost all guys in their fifties, sixties or seventies, with one younger guy and one kid in the room (not to mention some patient wives). He had a point. It isn't about whether we buy models locally or online, it's about who is going to build models when the short-attention-span generation has replaced us. I drifted out of modelling in my middle years as I had other things to do (and spend my money on). Now things like skiing and paintball are not so kind to my old knees so a return to model building became interesting. But the key was I built models as a kid so the seed was planted. I just don't know how many kids are building models these days, it seems like they live in their smart phones and gluing together a model car or airplane just isn't something many want to do. I'd love to be proven wrong however....
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 12:20 PM UTC

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A vendor at a show I attended recently said something to the effect that the hobby is dying and he pointed to the average age of those attending the show as proof--almost all guys in their fifties, sixties or seventies, with one younger guy and one kid in the room (not to mention some patient wives). He had a point. It isn't about whether we buy models locally or online, it's about who is going to build models when the short-attention-span generation has replaced us. I drifted out of modelling in my middle years as I had other things to do (and spend my money on). Now things like skiing and paintball are not so kind to my old knees so a return to model building became interesting. But the key was I built models as a kid so the seed was planted. I just don't know how many kids are building models these days, it seems like they live in their smart phones and gluing together a model car or airplane just isn't something many want to do. I'd love to be proven wrong however....



Kinda have to agree with Doug. For many years I was one of the youngest members of our local hobby club and I was well into my thirties at that stage. Fortunately, in recent times we have had a few "younger" members join us. I must confess, they're not much younger but I'm no longer one of the youngsters.

We all try to save where we can hence the online shops thriving (if one can call it that) but I still try to support the LHS purely because I love the idea of being able to actually pick up a kit box.....
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 12:22 PM UTC

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A vendor at a show I attended recently said something to the effect that the hobby is dying and he pointed to the average age of those attending the show as proof--almost all guys in their fifties, sixties or seventies, with one younger guy and one kid in the room (not to mention some patient wives). He had a point. It isn't about whether we buy models locally or online, it's about who is going to build models when the short-attention-span generation has replaced us. I drifted out of modelling in my middle years as I had other things to do (and spend my money on). Now things like skiing and paintball are not so kind to my old knees so a return to model building became interesting. But the key was I built models as a kid so the seed was planted. I just don't know how many kids are building models these days, it seems like they live in their smart phones and gluing together a model car or airplane just isn't something many want to do. I'd love to be proven wrong however....


Anecdotal evidence and only really true (if at all) for the US. There is a strong new generation of model builders in Asia. Just look at Girls und Panzer. Sales of armor kits exploded because of it. Look at the volume of kits Asian companies lump out. The occidental world is not their primary market. Then compare that to Revell and Lindberg. Airfix is the only part of Hornby going strong. Again look at Monogram.
There's a new generation of new model builders out there but they're not American.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 12:44 PM UTC

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A vendor at a show I attended recently said something to the effect that the hobby is dying and he pointed to the average age of those attending the show as proof--almost all guys in their fifties, sixties or seventies, with one younger guy and one kid in the room (not to mention some patient wives). He had a point. It isn't about whether we buy models locally or online, it's about who is going to build models when the short-attention-span generation has replaced us. I drifted out of modelling in my middle years as I had other things to do (and spend my money on). Now things like skiing and paintball are not so kind to my old knees so a return to model building became interesting. But the key was I built models as a kid so the seed was planted. I just don't know how many kids are building models these days, it seems like they live in their smart phones and gluing together a model car or airplane just isn't something many want to do. I'd love to be proven wrong however....



And yet we're recruiting new members to our Society faster than we're losing them. In the past 10 years we've doubled the membership to 3,500 and it continues to grow, slowly but steadily each year. If the hobby was in decline I'm pretty sure we wouldn't be attracting more members than we're losing.

Our primary (most common) recruiting age has long been early/mid thirties. Yes, the age profile of the Society is older (most fall in the 40-60 bracket) but the fact we're continuing to recruit at a younger age bodes well for the hobby in my view.

Regards,
John Tapsell - IPMS (UK) Publicity Officer
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 12:46 PM UTC
We have this conversation over and over.
the manufacturers offer more and better new stuff all the time. if the market was in steep decline this would not be true.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 12:55 PM UTC
While it is true, not a lot of younger modellers are seem at shows or join clubs, there is still a market of them out there. My youngest has built models, has a stash and intent to build them, but just at the moment he has found another hobby - girls. Having a car, his licence and the freedom it gives, he doesn't want to be home bound. But he still shows a keen interest in what I build.

Recently I was at my LHS (which no longer stocks of much due to holding costs and the imposts applied by some importers on what they must buy to get anything) and whilst talking to an acquaintance I saw teenage modellers buying kits to build. Not as a group but as a few individuals that came in.

I asked about whether they were in clubs or went to shows, and the simple answer was they felt intimidated as they were just starting out and were not 'good enough'. So if that is a common feeling across the globe, maybe there are more younger modellers out there than we believe... and we need to encourage them to make themselves known
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 01:11 PM UTC
The claim that modelling is dying isn't supported by the evidence. Yes brick and mortar stores are going away but that is happening across the board. Unless you're walmart you can't compete with online shopping. For me the nearest hobby shop that carries the the stuff I need is a half hour drive to the ferry dock, a $12 25-30 minute boat ride then 1 to 2 hours stuck on I5 driving thru Seattle. It's cost effective, less painful (physically) and easier for me to shop online.

If modelling is dying than why are they still putting out new kits? How many new kits have been released this year alone? Across all genres? How many new model companies are there compared to 10 years ago? 20 years? Why are Sprue Brothers, HLJ, Monsters in Motion, Culttvman, Starshipmodeler still around if the hobby is dying? These stores have been around for years, decades in a couple of cases. If it's dying why is MIG, AK and other new vendors (a couple seen here posting new paint and products) so popular and thriving?

If you don't see kids a local show then that is that particular show. Maybe it's not kid friendly, a lot of older modellers don't have time for kids. I've seen lots of pictures of lots of shows that have lots of kids in them, displaying and competing.

I've always thought that modelling has been an adult oriented hobby rather than kids. Yes we started out young but how long were we young? I stopped being young at 17 when I joined the Army but I've been building for 40+ years. My 11 year old nephew was here last week and poking around my stash room. A couple christmas' ago I got him the entire Revell "The Force Awakens" snap together line. He really enjoyed them and they are on display in his room. He's done a couple other things including a little space shuttle that was completely photoetch that involved a lot of folding and attention to detail. I was impressed. Anyway he was here poking thru my stash and asked if he could build a tank. So he picked out a kit, I gave him tools, glue, other supplies (I'm doing a paint order tonite so I'm getting stuff for him) and one of my old tool boxes that accompanied me around the world. I've not pushed the hobby on him, he's shown his own interest and I'll help him for as long as he is interested.

But the hobby isn't dying, but it's changed alot from when I started.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 01:19 PM UTC
I never had an interest in model cars. But my LHS tells me that that is what they are selling a lot of, lately. So, the aircraft and armor sections shrink a little every couple of times I go there.

Thankfully there is a place where my family members can go to buy me a gift voucher!

Gaz
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 01:41 PM UTC
I feel that online shops are actually doing lots of harm to those small business too. Despite fact, that closest normal model shop is 100 km away from me, i prefer to buy most kits there. Their pricing is fair, and they are always there. Only when im short of some paint, or materials they dont have in inventory, i buy in e-shops (at the same time i grab kits that are on great discount). If you don't buy in your local shop - it will eventually close down
as for hobby options.... oh well, it seems new generation has no interest in anything real.... my other hobbies are dog sport and fishing. Things are more less ok with fishing (although its mostly for those, whose fathers were doing this, so they know it from childhood). But in general, its dying out... Situation of dog sport is even worse, it is on steep slope down...
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 02:13 PM UTC
While slow business may be a factor in closing down a LHS, I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that the hobby itself is dying. The business model has changed as one can buy stuff online. Manufacturers have been releasing new kits, plastic versions of resin kits, as well as subjects that some would even say they never thought would be available. Add to these are releases from AM manufacturers, and weathering / detailing suppliers. Dying?
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 02:57 PM UTC
Many years ago, if you wanted oil for your car, you went to a garage - no choice. Then you could go to K-Mart (like your Walmart I think)or a garage. Now you go to a motor retailer, Kmart, garage and other places. If the garage closed down did that mean people stopped buying cars?

Years ago, you wanted to communicate with friends you went to the post office bought stamps and sent them a letter or a card. Or you paid for a costly phone call. Now you send them an email or ring them using one of the internet based services like scope. Does that mean the post office will close or the telecommunications provider that only provides land line service will close?

You adapt or die. Take Kodak for instance.... digital cameras?? No, that is a fad. We will still be selling film forever...

Online purchasing has taken over store purchases in all businesses at lower cost generally. That is where the LHS can't compete. No need to pay for chains of stores and stock all of them One business, less stock, less overhead and no reliance on the local walk by market.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 03:37 PM UTC
What diffrence does it make,most of us,myself included will be dead long before the hobby dies,and if not most of us have stashes that neither us or our kids who might model will never finish any way.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 04:05 PM UTC

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What diffrence does it make,most of us,myself included will be dead long before the hobby dies,and if not most of us have stashes that neither us or our kids who might model will never finish any way.



Yep! and still buying more just in case I live to be 200 ...
/ Robin
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 05:40 PM UTC

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A vendor at a show I attended recently said something to the effect that the hobby is dying and he pointed to the average age of those attending the show as proof--almost all guys in their fifties, sixties or seventies, with one younger guy and one kid in the room (not to mention some patient wives). He had a point. It isn't about whether we buy models locally or online, it's about who is going to build models when the short-attention-span generation has replaced us. I drifted out of modelling in my middle years as I had other things to do (and spend my money on). Now things like skiing and paintball are not so kind to my old knees so a return to model building became interesting. But the key was I built models as a kid so the seed was planted. I just don't know how many kids are building models these days, it seems like they live in their smart phones and gluing together a model car or airplane just isn't something many want to do. I'd love to be proven wrong however....



Western Australia has a thriving younger modeller community,as shown at the annual show. Plenty of prizes for and taken by teenagers and below
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Posted: Tuesday, September 19, 2017 - 05:44 PM UTC

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A vendor at a show I attended recently said something to the effect that the hobby is dying and he pointed to the average age of those attending the show as proof--almost all guys in their fifties, sixties or seventies, with one younger guy and one kid in the room (not to mention some patient wives). He had a point. It isn't about whether we buy models locally or online, it's about who is going to build models when the short-attention-span generation has replaced us. I drifted out of modelling in my middle years as I had other things to do (and spend my money on). Now things like skiing and paintball are not so kind to my old knees so a return to model building became interesting. But the key was I built models as a kid so the seed was planted. I just don't know how many kids are building models these days, it seems like they live in their smart phones and gluing together a model car or airplane just isn't something many want to do. I'd love to be proven wrong however....


Anecdotal evidence and only really true (if at all) for the US. There is a strong new generation of model builders in Asia. Just look at Girls und Panzer. Sales of armor kits exploded because of it. Look at the volume of kits Asian companies lump out. The occidental world is not their primary market. Then compare that to Revell and Lindberg. Airfix is the only part of Hornby going strong. Again look at Monogram.
There's a new generation of new model builders out there but they're not American.


It may be true that there are more younger model builders outside the US, but there are still plenty of them here. When I do go to the LHS or the model area of Hobby Lobby there are always young folks, even kids, there.
I think it's the older, mainly men, that go to the club meetings and shows, but that is true for many others hobbies as well.
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What diffrence does it make,most of us,myself included will be dead long before the hobby dies,and if not most of us have stashes that neither us or our kids who might model will never finish any way.



Yep! and still buying more just in case I live to be 200 ...
/ Robin



This will make some estate probate or auctions house happy. I too have more than I or the next generation can build. BTW my son (45) loves for me to build him a kit since he does not build.

Bob
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Brick and mortar stores just cant compete with online retailers because of the economics involved, but online there is increasing competition which means there are more options to find what you want at a better price. These are the times we live in.

As for the hobby dying, it is the same as any other art or skill. If you want others to continue with it, pass it on. It isn't just about what is in the box for me; it is about the stories, the people, what happened in history. I can sit and build with my kids and talk with them and be involved. My son is trying to do the same with me, telling me all about his games and wanting to show me how to play and work the controller so I will compromise-play with him for him spending time with me and we both get to do what we enjoy.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 - 03:10 AM UTC
I also belong to a Google+ forum started by the owner of Andy's Hobby Headquarters in Arizona, and I would say the majority of our members are under 20. A few have even started their own Youtube blogs to show off their work.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 20, 2017 - 03:32 AM UTC

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While it is true, not a lot of younger modellers are seem at shows or join clubs, there is still a market of them out there. My youngest has built models, has a stash and intent to build them, but just at the moment he has found another hobby - girls. Having a car, his licence and the freedom it gives, he doesn't want to be home bound. But he still shows a keen interest in what I build.

Recently I was at my LHS (which no longer stocks of much due to holding costs and the imposts applied by some importers on what they must buy to get anything) and whilst talking to an acquaintance I saw teenage modellers buying kits to build. Not as a group but as a few individuals that came in.

I asked about whether they were in clubs or went to shows, and the simple answer was they felt intimidated as they were just starting out and were not 'good enough'. So if that is a common feeling across the globe, maybe there are more younger modellers out there than we believe... and we need to encourage them to make themselves known



Good point PB - perhaps we should start with AMMS Brisbane ?

Regards

Rob
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