Hi guys,
just an idea; how about a Sheperd Paine commemorative campaign?
August 1st is the day he died 4 years ago and to me the man was THE inspirational figure that got and kept me going in this hobby.
It would start of course on august 1st, which may be a bit of a short notice and maybe run for 6 months? Longer?

In order to honour him tules would be; kits older than 25 years, no aftermarket, PE, resin, turned barrels etc allowed.
Just the kit, your imagination and whatever you can scrounge "around the house" in order to upgrade the kit.
Old school, basic and creative.

What do you folks say? Is it something?

Callsign: HARV
That is a cool idea for a campaign. I would be all for entering this one. I grew up seeing his work on the sides of the Monogram boxes and in the diorama tip sheets that came with the kits and was always in awe. He has always been a motivator for me with this hobby.

If this campaign is a go I would like to do a straight from the box build of the re-issued Monogram 1/32 "Screamin' Mimi".




Thanks,
Randy

So no aftermarket items, but can we use styrene sheet, rod, etc?Evergreen plastic was founded in 1977.
Can you combine parts from old kits? Fe Italeri Sherman with Tamiya tracks.

Interesting Wikipedia page on Shep Pain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheperd_Paine

I remember the First aid post in the old Tamiya catalogue. I always thought his work was much more dynamic than Verlinden's work.

Question as an interested party only, and NOT as an entrant:

Does the criteria for this campaign include only model kits which the late, Great Shep Paine featured in his MONOGRAM mini-monographs, OR, are models which are built, detailed and painted according to "his methods" allowed and even said models which have been released AFTER Shep's untimely death..? I ask because I feel, and others may feel as I do in this case, that ANY model that is built using Shep's great and enlightening techniques and methods would be a fine tribute to his memory...

The reason I personally don't wish to enter this campaign, even though I've been a proponent of Shep's techniques since the early 1970s, is because what with my being in poor health, I never know what may befall me prior to the "end-date" of ANY modeling campaign, whether it's on this site, or elsewhere. I could wind up in hospital and/or "rehabs" at any time. In other words, I don't feel that I should "promise and not deliver". Hoping you guys understand...

Thanks,

-Dennis

Marc, making your own parts or detailing using styrene stock, wire, tape, etc, was a big part of what Sheperd did.

At risk of Hijacking a thread I didn't start, I think the intent is to build a kit based on techniques in Shep's books "Modelling Tanks and Military Vehicles", "Building and Painting Scale Figures" and "How to build Dioramas" and which denote the golden age of his career. In these Sheperd has chapters on scratch building and super detailing, so I expect you will get no resistance there.

In t'Tanks', Shep discussed using resin parts that were self-cast as copies of other kit parts or parts made/detailed by the modeller themselves, but did not venture into the purchase of commercially available add on parts.

'Dioramas' was all about the scenic display and whist iterating parts of his casting article from the tanks book re making your own accessories, his commentary expanded to commercially available products however, this was centred around diorama accessories rather than improvements to the central model.

I do not have a copy of 'Figures'.

As to the type of model, any kit made from a mould that is older than 25 years can be built as long and any post 25 years re-issue kit is made up using only the parts that were in the same kit 25 years ago. Example is the Tamiya SdKfz 222 re-issue with etch and metal barrel can only be built without the metal parts, etc.

Happy to be told I'm off course here though....

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Hope this helps you. Cheers

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So no aftermarket items, but can we use styrene sheet, rod, etc?Evergreen plastic was founded in 1977.
Can you combine parts from old kits? Fe Italeri Sherman with Tamiya tracks.

Interesting Wikipedia page on Shep Pain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheperd_Paine

I remember the First aid post in the old Tamiya catalogue. I always thought his work was much more dynamic than Verlinden's work.

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Yup, as long as the parts are from kits 25 years or older.

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Question as an interested party only, and NOT as an entrant:

Does the criteria for this campaign include only model kits which the late, Great Shep Paine featured in his MONOGRAM mini-monographs, OR, are models which are built, detailed and painted according to "his methods" allowed and even said models which have been released AFTER Shep's untimely death..? I ask because I feel, and others may feel as I do in this case, that ANY model that is built using Shep's great and enlightening techniques and methods would be a fine tribute to his memory...

The reason I personally don't wish to enter this campaign, even though I've been a proponent of Shep's techniques since the early 1970s, is because what with my being in poor health, I never know what may befall me prior to the "end-date" of ANY modeling campaign, whether it's on this site, or elsewhere. I could wind up in hospital and/or "rehabs" at any time. In other words, I don't feel that I should "promise and not deliver". Hoping you guys understand...

Thanks,

-Dennis

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Hi Dennis, the idea is to use one's imagination and creativity, not throw a lot of cash, resin and PE at a kit. Do things the "good, old way".
Besides you're more than welcome to join, if only to enjoy yourself and maybe learn/show a thing or 2. I dare say finishing a campaign for many is not always a given.

You're reading me all wrong; I've been building models since 1958, and that was when I was 5 years old. I haven't built anything "straight-out-of-the-box" since I was 8. I'm of the mind-set that the EVEN THE VERY LATEST 2019 model kit can be "improved" in some way however small, and not necessarily by buying expensive PE, resin, or "mixed-media" up-dates, back-dates, in-between-dates, or "No-Show-dates".

I was asking the question rhetorically, for the benefit of OTHER modelers who MAY have wondered, since I don't plan on entering anything anyway...

I still have ONE ORIGINAL 1/48 MONOGRAM B-17G, sealed in the box, with one of Shep Paine's "How To" B-17G diorama monographs enclosed in the box. At the time of this kit's release, I BOUGHT THREE of them, two of which I custom-built and sold to customers of mine. I kept one of these ORIGINALS for myself. Subsequently, I bought a few more of them. In the meantime, I'd bought a number of the later-release 1/48 MONOGRAM B-17G kits through the years, both for myself in order to build them up and to keep in my display cabinets, and a few of them here and there for "custom-builds" for my "special" customers. I quit "building for hire" in the early '90s...

And now, I'm going to "pitch-a-b**ch":

Back in the day, Shep Paine also used PAINTS, PUTTIES, certain "specialized" HAND-TOOLS and ADHESIVES that aren't even available anymore- And if SOME of the glues and paints are still available SOMEWHERE, they're probably UNUSABLE because of their age...

So, that leaves all of that modern-day "boutique S**T" that modelers rave about today. For example: I distinctly remember Shep Paine using a PAASCHE H-1 SINGLE-ACTION Airbrush for a lot of his paint-work in the 1970s. Now go ahead and tell your "campaign-entrants" that they can't use their "ultra-high-dollar" Quadruple-Action IWATAS and the like, PLUS their Whoopdie-doo fancy acrylic paints, such as VALLEJO, AK INTERACTIVE, MISSION MODELS, etc. THIS STUFF is 21st Century technology. If you go ahead and bar the use of this stuff, you'll have a REVOLUTION on your hands...

Are we to surmise that only 1970s-vintage paints, adhesives, sandpapers, and "you-name-its" are allowed to be used in order to complete a 1970s kit??? You're going for the "purist"-methods, so the "NEW" ancillary stuff, by rights, should not be allowed. If that's the case, it's going to be a very tall order to actually complete anything that's over 25-years old with "over 25-years-old technology"...

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You're reading me all wrong; I've been building models since 1958, and that was when I was 5 years old. I haven't built anything "straight-out-of-the-box" since I was 8. I'm of the mind-set that the EVEN THE VERY LATEST 2019 model kit can be "improved" in some way however small, and not necessarily by buying expensive PE, resin, or "mixed-media" up-dates, back-dates, in-between-dates, or "No-Show-dates".

I was asking the question rhetorically, for the benefit of OTHER modelers who MAY have wondered, since I don't plan on entering anything anyway...

I still have ONE ORIGINAL 1/48 MONOGRAM B-17G, sealed in the box, with one of Shep Paine's "How To" B-17G diorama monographs enclosed in the box. At the time of this kit's release, I BOUGHT THREE of them, two of which I custom-built and sold to customers of mine. I kept one of these ORIGINALS for myself. Subsequently, I bought a few more of them. In the meantime, I'd bought a number of the later-release 1/48 MONOGRAM B-17G kits through the years, both for myself in order to build them up and to keep in my display cabinets, and a few of them here and there for "custom-builds" for my "special" customers. I quit "building for hire" in the early '90s...

And now, I'm going to "pitch-a-b**ch":

Back in the day, Shep Paine also used PAINTS, PUTTIES, certain "specialized" HAND-TOOLS and ADHESIVES that aren't even available anymore- And if SOME of the glues and paints are still available SOMEWHERE, they're probably UNUSABLE because of their age...

So, that leaves all of that modern-day "boutique S**T" that modelers rave about today. For example: I distinctly remember Shep Paine using a PAASCHE H-1 SINGLE-ACTION Airbrush for a lot of his paint-work in the 1970s. Now go ahead and tell your "campaign-entrants" that they can't use their "ultra-high-dollar" Quadruple-Action IWATAS and the like, PLUS their Whoopdie-doo fancy acrylic paints, such as VALLEJO, AK INTERACTIVE, MISSION MODELS, etc. THIS STUFF is 21st Century technology. If you go ahead and bar the use of this stuff, you'll have a REVOLUTION on your hands...

Are we to surmise that only 1970s-vintage paints, adhesives, sandpapers, and "you-name-its" are allowed to be used in order to complete a 1970s kit??? You're going for the "purist"-methods, so the "NEW" ancillary stuff, by rights, should not be allowed. If that's the case, it's going to be a very tall order to actually complete anything that's over 25-years old with "over 25-years-old technology"...

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Honestly Dennis, you need to take a chill-pill!
What's the matter with you? You have an argumentative streak or what?
I do not care what mr. Paine would have used or that you feel we should use or not use this or that "by right" or what credentials you think you have.

I proposed a campaign to honor the man, commemorate his untimely passing and to encourage others to use some of the techniques that earned him his name and fame in that campaign. Nothing purist, just basic fun with a decent dose of nostaligia.

If you have something constructive to say I am all ears, however if you do not or not like the campaign... I am sure you can find your way out?

It is very easy to get carried away, but sometimes 'letting the ball through to the keeper' is the best play.


The above is intended as constructive feedback to you both and everyone else here. Hopefully now everyone can get back on track as to what the Forum, and especially the Group Builds, are all about - establishing comradery between participants and having fun. I am particularly looking forward to see what everyone builds and how they choose to build it.

Harv-I had that kit in my stash, picked it up at HobbyLobby for $7.50 and did not build it. I gave it to my kids for the 4-H Christmas gift exchange. They told me it was the most popular gift, getting exchanged several times. I didn't even know kids still built models or I would've thrown in a tube of glue.
Looking forward to your build. Maybe I'll build my Sherman for this campaign.

Dennis-I'll take the bait. What other original Monogram kits do you have?

Take care,
Don "Lakota"

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It is very easy to get carried away, but sometimes 'letting the ball through to the keeper' is the best play.


The above is intended as constructive feedback to you both and everyone else here. Hopefully now everyone can get back on track as to what the Forum, and especially the Group Builds, are all about - establishing comradery between participants and having fun. I am particularly looking forward to see what everyone builds and how they choose to build it.

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Thanks, I'll keep it in mind.
I usually do not play defensive.