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RyeField: Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.J Late
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2019 - 06:51 PM UTC


Rye Field Model announced the first of their upcoming Pz.Kpfw.IV series kits.

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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2019 - 07:05 PM UTC
It seems that the race is one with Pz IV's.
Dragon may need to watch out ....
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2019 - 08:02 PM UTC
Is this a new trend, offering two in one kits? First it was interiors, now this? Looks to be another great kit from Ryefield.
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2019 - 08:05 PM UTC

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It seems that the race is one with Pz IV's.
Dragon may need to watch out ....



With a lot of modelers, Dragon lost when RFM said "workable track"

Look ma, no DS!
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2019 - 08:28 PM UTC
Least it loks to be a real 2 in 1. Seen a few that say 2 in 1, 3 in 1 and the only difference is markings.
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2019 - 10:51 PM UTC
How very, very interesting. When this comes with an interior, I'm in.

Kind regards,

Robert Jan
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 12:14 AM UTC
Looks very interesting. Only a 2 in 1? Looks like there are multiple return rollers, multiple muzzle brakes, maybe the H/J and late swivel cupola hatch. My poor, poor wallet!
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 04:12 AM UTC

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Is this a new trend, offering two in one kits? First it was interiors, now this? Looks to be another great kit from Ryefield.


To be fair, most of the RFM kits are already possible to make multiple variants because they keep the old parts for newer kits. I have the their Tiger E Mid and it has the whole leftover spurs from the older kit to build the Early production instead if I want to.
This offer is like the their Tiger E Late, which they also did market it as 2 in one, normal and command version. I mean, they could as well make it 2 different kit and screw your wallet even more.
Dragon is another story though...
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 06:51 AM UTC
WOWEEEE...another Panzer...how exciting...with different styles of road wheels..ooooohhh...
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 07:19 AM UTC

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WOWEEEE...another Panzer...how exciting...with different styles of road wheels..ooooohhh...


This is a piece of engineering history!
Being able to show in model form how a product evolved over time. How the position and number of return rollers changed. The evolution of the "hub caps" and all the other minor details. Some people can't even tell the difference between a Pz III and Pz IV chassis, let alone the detail differences between different versions and production runs.
This is nerd heaven
I may feel the urge to get a bunch of these ...

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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 08:31 AM UTC
I am curious as to why there are only three return rollers when all the images I have seen on google for the Pz.IV HJ show four return rollers?
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 09:29 AM UTC
The Pzkpfw IV ausf J last production had three return rollers. Look for images of tanks with the wire mesh armor and you'll often see the three return rollers.

Dragon has done this variant several times and the new Tamiya Jagdpanzer IV and Brumbaer have this configuration.

Personally I think it's the coolest looking configuration as it makes the tank look meaner.

This kit has all the bits to make any version of the ausf J with all the various differences in one box and the Beobachtung version. This really is a bit more than 2 in 1.
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 09:36 AM UTC

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The Pzkpfw IV ausf J last production had three return rollers. Look for images of tanks with the wire mesh armor and you'll often see the three return rollers.

Dragon has done this variant several times and the new Tamiya Jagdpanzer IV and Brumbaer have this configuration.

Personally I think it's the coolest looking configuration as it makes the tank look meaner.

This kit has all the bits to make any version of the ausf J with all the various differences in one box and the Beobachtung version. This really is a bit more than 2 in 1.


Maybe the bits and pieces are all there but the
instructions only describe two of the possible options??












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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 10:26 AM UTC

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The Pzkpfw IV ausf J last production had three return rollers. Look for images of tanks with the wire mesh armor and you'll often see the three return rollers.

Dragon has done this variant several times and the new Tamiya Jagdpanzer IV and Brumbaer have this configuration.

Personally I think it's the coolest looking configuration as it makes the tank look meaner.

This kit has all the bits to make any version of the ausf J with all the various differences in one box and the Beobachtung version. This really is a bit more than 2 in 1.


Thanks, looking closer at the images I noticed you can build the tank with three or four return rollers.
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 10:35 AM UTC
I still do not understand where this company came from. I have the clear hulled Panther G and the Easy 8 kits and they are just amazing. Time for them to do a T34-85 I guess.
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 11:18 AM UTC
This is a definite buy for me. I love that since these awesome Panther kits have come out from Meng, Takom and RFM, we are now seeing Pz.kpfw.IVs to give us something different from Dragons. Even in spirit, I just like the option. Excited for new Ausf H mids and lates.
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 12:11 PM UTC
hey Robin, you can have my copy...a panzer is a panzer is a panzer...when the dust settles, and it will, once on the shelf, does it really matter...LOL...!!!
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 05:36 PM UTC

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hey Robin, you can have my copy...a panzer is a panzer is a panzer...when the dust settles, and it will, once on the shelf, does it really matter...LOL...!!!




I'll be moving my display cabinets soon so I will have to disturb some of that dust ......
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 06:45 PM UTC

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I am curious as to why there are only three return rollers when all the images I have seen on google for the Pz.IV HJ show four return rollers?


Nibelungenwerke, the last factory building the Panzer IV as a turreted tank, switched to three return rollers in 1945, as an economy measure.

If you use the late swivel-pattern commander's hatch, the original, four-return roller hull, and Thoma screen-style skirts, you have a tank suitable for the Battle of the Bulge, which would have required combining two very expensive Dragon kits, until Rye Field proposed a kit with everything in one box. Lookin' forward to this one!
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 08:02 PM UTC

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hey Robin, you can have my copy...a panzer is a panzer is a panzer...when the dust settles, and it will, once on the shelf, does it really matter...LOL...!!!


You're really better off. Run and save yourself before you catch this panzer fever or before you know it you'll just have to have every production variation of some German tank or another.

Or Sherman's, or M60s or Leopards or P-51 for that matter.
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2019 - 09:25 PM UTC

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hey Robin, you can have my copy...a panzer is a panzer is a panzer...when the dust settles, and it will, once on the shelf, does it really matter...LOL...!!!


You're really better off. Run and save yourself before you catch this panzer fever or before you know it you'll just have to have every production variation of some German tank or another.

Or Sherman's, or M60s or Leopards or P-51 for that matter.


Yes ....
it is better to focus on some obscure subject where a handful of models covers the entire production run, one of each individual
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2019 - 02:44 PM UTC
Looks like another great addition to the stable-full of Pz IVs out there. I just wonder about how the Thoma Schurtzen are made; if they're that feeble mesh that Dragon inflicted upon us or something that actually works. While PE sort of works that mesh certainly did not even vaguely look realistic. Interesting that they'd start at the end of the series; what's next a late H? And then build backwards to an A or even the weird prototypes?
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Posted: Wednesday, October 09, 2019 - 07:01 PM UTC
Speaking of weird prototypes: in the Spielberger book about the Panzer IV there's an interesting one that has the same chassis as the Versuchsflakwagen 8,8cm Flak 41 auf Sonderfahrgestell: the same interleaved road wheels, but with a shorter chassis.
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