It is my first real atempt at trying to scratch build somthing larger so feedback is as always welcome
this is my atempt at scratch building the generator box
And I'm trying to make it look somthing like this
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janwillem
Joined: October 01, 2003
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 05:01 PM UTC
The photos didn't fit in my jounal so I'm posting them here and that way every one can take a look,
It is my first real atempt at trying to scratch build somthing larger so feedback is as always welcome
this is my atempt at scratch building the generator box
And I'm trying to make it look somthing like this
It is my first real atempt at trying to scratch build somthing larger so feedback is as always welcome
this is my atempt at scratch building the generator box
And I'm trying to make it look somthing like this
210cav
Joined: February 05, 2002
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 07:44 PM UTC
My Friend-- the box you are replicating is obviously a European design. We have a much smaller one for the generator on US M 577's. However, it appears a very close match to the photos. I think your fill is excellent. How do you ensure that the excess fill is removed--- denatured alcohol?
thanks
DJ
thanks
DJ
ptruhe
Joined: March 05, 2003
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 07:47 PM UTC
I hate to be the one to break this to you but you've got the top deck on backwards. The hatch is at the front of the vehicle.
Paul
Paul
210cav
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 09:23 PM UTC
Good eye! 
slodder
Joined: February 22, 2002
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 09:43 PM UTC
The scratch looks good! Nice size and scale. That I wouldnt change.
ptruhe
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 10:00 PM UTC
Yes, nice details you've added. I think Greyhunter might have something to help with the smoke launcher mounts.
Here's something to help with the driver's hatch area:
Paul
Here's something to help with the driver's hatch area:
Paul
210cav
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 10:16 PM UTC
Paul-- assume this is or was your FDC track. You might want to indicate that the mount to the right of the photo is for the antenna poles and not a machine gun mount as one mis informed Soldier once told me.
DJ
DJ
ptruhe
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 11:26 PM UTC
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assume this is or was your FDC track. You might want to indicate that the mount to the right of the photo is for the antenna poles and not a machine gun mount as one mis informed Soldier once told me.
My experience with the M577 was on a FDC track in Germany but the one shown is at the Texas Military Forces Museum at Camp Mabry, Austin, TX.
You are correct. The mount shown to the right of the driver's hatch is for the long range antenna kit. At the time ('88-'89) the mortar platoon TOE did include a M-60 for each section and we carried it on the M577. If needed, you could place the tripod on top of the generator cage or scrounge a pintle mount and bolt it to the antenna guard like I did.
Paul
janwillem
Joined: October 01, 2003
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Posted: Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 11:28 PM UTC
thanx guy's I know the top was mountet wrong but I didn't glue it jet
210cav
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Posted: Monday, September 27, 2004 - 01:30 AM UTC
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thanx guy's I know the top was mountet wrong but I didn't glue it jet
Can you tell me how you removed your excess fill? Also, did you replace the sides on the vehcile. I am trying to undesrtand why you sanded them.
thanks
DJ
janwillem
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Posted: Monday, September 27, 2004 - 05:06 PM UTC
the Tamiya M-577 uses the old tamiya M-113 as base and to make it a M-577 the sides have to be higher so the kit komes with one side in two parts that have to be glued to gether with leaves a nasty "scar" that has to be sanded away.
thats why I had to sand so much
thats why I had to sand so much
Red4
Joined: April 01, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 11:25 PM UTC
Jan,
Not all of the 577's were smooth sided. I have served on several of them that had been upgraded from the M113 and had that very prominent weld seam where the top and bottom went together. Either way, you cant go wrong. Scratchbuilding the enterior is a headache...well sort of. Its pretty basic inside, but it still can be tedious if you dont know what is suppossed to go where inside. Yours looks good so far. Are you going to deploy the vesitbule (tent) off the back or keep it rolled up? Looking forward to the finished product. "Q"
Check out the link and you'll see what I mean about the weld seam.
http://www.ifrance.com/ArmyReco/Amerique_du_nord/Etats_Unis/vehicules_legers/M577_Command_vehicle/M577_USA_20.jpg
Not all of the 577's were smooth sided. I have served on several of them that had been upgraded from the M113 and had that very prominent weld seam where the top and bottom went together. Either way, you cant go wrong. Scratchbuilding the enterior is a headache...well sort of. Its pretty basic inside, but it still can be tedious if you dont know what is suppossed to go where inside. Yours looks good so far. Are you going to deploy the vesitbule (tent) off the back or keep it rolled up? Looking forward to the finished product. "Q"
Check out the link and you'll see what I mean about the weld seam.
http://www.ifrance.com/ArmyReco/Amerique_du_nord/Etats_Unis/vehicules_legers/M577_Command_vehicle/M577_USA_20.jpg
HeavyArty
Joined: May 16, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 11:47 PM UTC
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Scratchbuilding the interior is a headache.
Not really. You can start with a basic Tamiya or Academy M113 interior, (I would stay away from the Italeri interior, it is seriosly lacking). Most of the parts neede are in the basic interior. Next, you have to build the fuel tanks and work tables that run along the sides of the hull above the track line. Also, the TC platform is reversed and attached to the front wall, under the hatch. It folds down to the rear of the vehicle. The driver's area is the same. The hard part is adding any additional items that may be in the specific track you are modeling. Here are some referance photos.
210cav
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Posted: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 12:19 AM UTC
Gino-- that interior would be a bugger to do with the Tamiya kit. You could take the floor and the TC chair from the Tamiya 113 kit, but the tables with extensions, the benches would be a challenge. I built that kit years ago. Would love to do another one with the extension out. Is there any after market products avaibale for the interior?
thanks
DJ
thanks
DJ
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 02:34 AM UTC
210CAV,
No AM that I know of for the M577 interior. I still think it would be pretty easy to convert form a standard M113 interior. I actually plan on doing it myself, sometime in the future on the list of to-do kits. By the way, the benches are standard M113 benches, just folded up in the above picture. The tables would not be too difficult. I plan on using plastruct angle iron shape for the table supports. The TC "chair" is actually just a platform for him to stand on that is adjustable, no actual chair on it. I will probably do mine as an Artillery FDC with all the computers and commo equipment inside as well.
No AM that I know of for the M577 interior. I still think it would be pretty easy to convert form a standard M113 interior. I actually plan on doing it myself, sometime in the future on the list of to-do kits. By the way, the benches are standard M113 benches, just folded up in the above picture. The tables would not be too difficult. I plan on using plastruct angle iron shape for the table supports. The TC "chair" is actually just a platform for him to stand on that is adjustable, no actual chair on it. I will probably do mine as an Artillery FDC with all the computers and commo equipment inside as well.
Red4
Joined: April 01, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 09:53 AM UTC
Heavy, I was saying it would be a headache "IF" you didnt know where anything went, or what it was. I did an Israeli variant and had a ball just building it as if it was my own track. As for the fuel cells, too easy. since they are roughly 12-14" high, and only as wide as the track wells, some plastic strip built up to the right thickness would do the job. The map boards and the radio racks would be pretty easy as well. I made mine pretty busy inside and outside as well. I'll see if I can get some pics of it posted here. "Q" 
210cav
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Posted: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 07:11 PM UTC
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210CAV,
No AM that I know of for the M577 interior. I still think it would be pretty easy to convert form a standard M113 interior. I actually plan on doing it myself, sometime in the future on the list of to-do kits. By the way, the benches are standard M113 benches, just folded up in the above picture. The tables would not be too difficult. I plan on using plastruct angle iron shape for the table supports. The TC "chair" is actually just a platform for him to stand on that is adjustable, no actual chair on it. I will probably do mine as an Artillery FDC with all the computers and commo equipment inside as well.
Gino-- having viewed your work, only you could believe that replicating the interior of a M-577 would be doable.
Good Luck!
DJ
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 08:58 PM UTC
Red4,
I understand what you mean. I would like to see yours too. It sounds nice.
210cav,
Thanks for the compliment. I think you could do it too. It really isn't that much more to convert it. Give it a try, you may surprise yourself.
I understand what you mean. I would like to see yours too. It sounds nice.
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Gino-- having viewed your work, only you could believe that replicating the interior of a M-577 would be doable.
Good Luck!
210cav,
Thanks for the compliment. I think you could do it too. It really isn't that much more to convert it. Give it a try, you may surprise yourself.
210cav
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Posted: Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 02:08 AM UTC
We use to have a fellow from Belgium contribute. He built a 5 Ton with pods as I recall. Fantastic job. Gunnie also did some marvelous work with the M-3 Stuart. Regardless, it would be a challenge to construct the interior of a vehicle I spent many, many hours freezing or sweating in....the good old days!
DJ
DJ
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