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Posted: Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 02:32 AM UTC
Well it has taken forever, and for the life of me I cannot get good pictures of this one, but for what it is worth here are some pictures of my 1/48 Academy p-47N. It has an aries cockpit and true details' wheels. The wheels are actually not for the n version, but when I bought them I didn't know, so they are attached with blue tac and my next order from squadron will probably contain the correct wheels for a replacement.

I had many struggles with this one (I'm sure mostly due to my developing skills), but would love to hear what you think - good or bad. Things I am especially interested in are the metal finish, the light weathering, the propeller chipping, the gun barrels, how come I have so much trouble photographing nmf...anything else

Thanks for comments and with no further adeiu...the pictures:









Leon
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Posted: Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 02:42 AM UTC
Hi Leon...

I'm not much of a wingie-builder, but since a friend of mine asked me to build him a Dauntless, I'm looking more and more in the aircraft section!!
Your build is a very clean and neat one, I like the metal finish a lot, and also the chipped propellor blades. I was wondering, if the chipping could be a bit more heavy?
The weathering is very subtle, and I guess a complete other cup of tea, then weathering armor....Any tips here for me??

I hope my friends Dauntless turns out as nice as your
P-47!!

Greetz, John.
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Posted: Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 05:43 AM UTC
Wow! I like your workmaship. If you struggled with that one, you should see why I personally avoid airplane models. I can never get the seam in either the fuselage or wings to look anywhere near your end product. How do you do it?
thanks
DJ
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Posted: Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 07:08 AM UTC

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Hi Leon...

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The weathering is very subtle, and I guess a complete other cup of tea, then weathering armor....Any tips here for me??

I hope my friends Dauntless turns out as nice as your
P-47!!

Greetz, John.



Thanks John, I really appreciate it. I am still very unsure about my weathering, but two articles I read to further my understanding were:
1) David Aungst's: Weathering Model Aircraft
2) Matt Swan's: Basics of Weathering

Hope they help.


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Wow! I like your workmaship. If you struggled with that one, you should see why I personally avoid airplane models. I can never get the seam in either the fuselage or wings to look anywhere near your end product. How do you do it?
thanks
DJ



Thanks DJ. I wish I could say this model is seam free, but hidden on the belly is a very prominant seam. The wing joing (which originally was really bad) was helped by the use of Mr. Surfacer. That stuff is a godsend and really helped me a lot on this build.

Thanks again.
Leon
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Posted: Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 09:53 AM UTC
Hi Leon,
A very, very nice P 47N, your struggles have not been in vain, you should certainly be proud of this.
I will give you my thoughts on the areas you ask about.;
1) The natural metal finish. You don't say what you used to achieve this, but I would guess its Allclad? It is very well done, but I think natural metal finishes, on combat aircraft, should not be to shinny. I know, from my own experience that it is very difficult to "destroy" a lovely finish like this, but unless the aircraft is brand new, or polished every day, few panels would retain a high shine. This is of course only my opinion, as I have never flown a combat aircraft with a natural metal finish. Having studied the pics a little closer it might just be the flash from your camera that makes it appear bright?
2) The light weathering. I like weathering aircraft, but it's difficult to strike the right balance. On my own P 47N I used the weathering to tone down the NMF, using a dark grey oil based wash. Using artist oil paint leaves a thin film of colour over the surface. I also gave the coloured areas, yellow in my case, a matt coat. This helps to illiminate shine on the model. Gloss paint would loose some of it's gloss in use. Your weathering looks to be in keeping with a relatively clean and new airframe. If you were to weather a little more then a couple of small paint chips, in the coloured areas, around hatches would add interest and a sense of being in use.
3) The propeller chipping. I think this is very well done. I think the yellow tips, might be a little to big?
4) The gun barrels. They look very good, did you drill out the kit ones or are they metal tubing? in the second picture the 2 inner barrels seem to have a slightly out of line position? Is the gun numbering missing from the wing panels?
5)"How come I have so much trouble photographing nmf" Not knowing how you took the pics it's difficult to give any advice. I don't think that the pics are that bad (in fact they are pretty good), judging by the fact that there are several shadows I assume you used a few lights? Could they have been of different types? The orange affect, on the wings in pic 3, could come from an ordinary light bulb? Is your white balance correct?
I just want to say that my comments are based on the pics, but I suspect if I were to have the privilege of seeing this in the flesh then no comments other than wow, would be necessary
Mal
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Posted: Monday, November 08, 2004 - 02:56 AM UTC

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Hi Leon,
A very, very nice P 47N, your struggles have not been in vain, you should certainly be proud of this.
I will give you my thoughts on the areas you ask about.;
1) The natural metal finish. You don't say what you used to achieve this, but I would guess its Allclad? It is very well done, but I think natural metal finishes, on combat aircraft, should not be to shinny. I know, from my own experience that it is very difficult to "destroy" a lovely finish like this, but unless the aircraft is brand new, or polished every day, few panels would retain a high shine. This is of course only my opinion, as I have never flown a combat aircraft with a natural metal finish. Having studied the pics a little closer it might just be the flash from your camera that makes it appear bright?
2) The light weathering. I like weathering aircraft, but it's difficult to strike the right balance. On my own P 47N I used the weathering to tone down the NMF, using a dark grey oil based wash. Using artist oil paint leaves a thin film of colour over the surface. I also gave the coloured areas, yellow in my case, a matt coat. This helps to illiminate shine on the model. Gloss paint would loose some of it's gloss in use. Your weathering looks to be in keeping with a relatively clean and new airframe. If you were to weather a little more then a couple of small paint chips, in the coloured areas, around hatches would add interest and a sense of being in use.
3) The propeller chipping. I think this is very well done. I think the yellow tips, might be a little to big?
4) The gun barrels. They look very good, did you drill out the kit ones or are they metal tubing? in the second picture the 2 inner barrels seem to have a slightly out of line position? Is the gun numbering missing from the wing panels?
5)"How come I have so much trouble photographing nmf" Not knowing how you took the pics it's difficult to give any advice. I don't think that the pics are that bad (in fact they are pretty good), judging by the fact that there are several shadows I assume you used a few lights? Could they have been of different types? The orange affect, on the wings in pic 3, could come from an ordinary light bulb? Is your white balance correct?
I just want to say that my comments are based on the pics, but I suspect if I were to have the privilege of seeing this in the flesh then no comments other than wow, would be necessary
Mal



Mal, Thank you very much for your very well thought out and constructive comments; I really appreciate it and got a lot out of them.

To answer a few questions:
The NMF is SNJ with their powder. You are so right about not wanting to taint a beautiful shiny finish. Some of the shine is picture related, but some is definately there on the real thing.
Weathering is that step that I am still terrified of. I put so much time into the builds and just wait for the step that will make it go terribly wrong, so if I get to weathering and it still looks pretty good, I shy away from anything too big. I guess I just need to get some guts and go for it.
I agree on the yellow tips being too big.
The gun barrels are hypodermic needles and gave me a lot of trouble in getting them to line up. As you noticed a couple of them are off a little. I tried to get them all in right, but eventually got frustrated and decided it was best for my psyche to accept what they were and move on.
Finally I think I have figured out a better photographing situation for the future.

Again thank you so much for your very helpful comments. Your taking a very detailed look and giving suggestions is exactly what I need and am looking for in order to grow as a builder.

Leon
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